Should Songbird retire?

[Lava]

No she shouldn't but all the 3 year old dirt males should.

[Konk]

They asked Lucien Lauren that same question after the Wood.

God, what a truly stupid question.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Lava

No she shouldn't but all the 3 year old dirt males should.

Not that I blame them, but witness the near instantaneous backlash the 3yo divisions leaders suffered once the classic winners and Haskell runners all tanked in the Travers:

Battle of Midway, classic-placed and a Haskell also-ran, along with fellow Grade 1 winners Gormley and Klimt, all dropped down to listed stakes company at Del Mar for the Shared Belief Stakes and none went off favored. The favorite, Gate Del Oro, had form similar to Fayeq (i.e., a maiden and allowance win) who was long odds in the Travers and was eased across the line.

Battle of Midway, adding blinkers and getting off at over 3-1, romped home by over 6 lengths.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Not that I blame them, but witness the near instantaneous backlash the 3yo divisions leaders suffered once the classic winners and Haskell runners all tanked in the Travers:

Battle of Midway, classic-placed and a Haskell also-ran, along with fellow Grade 1 winners Gormley and Klimt, all dropped down to listed stakes company at Del Mar for the Shared Belief Stakes and none went off favored. The favorite, Gate Del Oro, had form similar to Fayeq (i.e., a maiden and allowance win) who was long odds in the Travers and was eased across the line.

Battle of Midway, adding blinkers and getting off at over 3-1, romped home by over 6 lengths.

I think the distance, and the blinkers helped, was a much easier field but he also ran his best race to date in my mind. He was always a talented horse, I heard about him a while back as a two year old.

[Alabama Stakes]

She ran awesome today. No shame in getting beat a neck to that mare on her third cross country trip in as many tries. She is awesome.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

She ran awesome today. No shame in getting beat a neck to that mare on her third cross country trip in as many tries. She is awesome.

Yep she is awesome in today's racing vernacular. Love the shipping innuendo as to some how suggest that furthers her awesomeness. You know who is really awesome? Her connections who have never ducked a race and campaigned her in the best races across the country, this is the only thing "awesome" about SongBird.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yep she is awesome in today's racing vernacular. Love the shipping innuendo as to some how suggest that furthers her awesomeness. You know who is really awesome? Her connections who have never ducked a race and campaigned her in the best races across the country, this is the only thing "awesome" about SongBird.

What is her record Freddy ? How many grade I wins? She got beat a neck. She is awesome. You are a miserable bastid who can't see greatness. I guess Beholder isn't great to be so pressed by such a mediocre filly ...right ? Lady Eli isn't great either because she lost 2 close ones. Unbridled Forever must suck too since she couldn't get by in the distaff right , Freddy? Oh yeah and bid got beat in the Belmont, he's not much. Arrogate just lost twice... he's no longer awesome?
Go back to shooting rats down by the river.

P.S. it's not a vernacular it's a ****ing Derby

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yep she is awesome in today's racing vernacular. Love the shipping innuendo as to some how suggest that furthers her awesomeness. You know who is really awesome? Her connections who have never ducked a race and campaigned her in the best races across the country, this is the only thing "awesome" about SongBird.

This kinda sounds silly Freddy....her record is pretty damn good, as race horses go. Some people act like she has not done a thing.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

This kinda sounds silly Freddy....her record is pretty damn good, as race horses go. Some people act like she has not done a thing.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

This kinda sounds silly Freddy....her record is pretty damn good, as race horses go. Some people act like she has not done a thing.

Freddy likes to surf on rickety floor boards. His utter dismissal of the fact that Songbird has shipped 3 times this year sounds pathetically contrarian. When Zenyatta was going strong the refrain was that she never shipped for a showdown such as yesterday's Personal Ensign. Conveniently in Songbird's case its a non-issue.

So unless Freddy has had a change of heart regarding Big Z, he sounds completely disingenuous here.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I think the distance, and the blinkers helped, was a much easier field but he also ran his best race to date in my mind. He was always a talented horse, I heard about him a while back as a two year old.

I was surprised he landed in this spot. He had a bullet work on the turf earlier in the meet and, being by Smart Strike, looked primed for his turf debut in the Del Mar Derby.

However, perhaps machinations from the owners (Winstar, Don Alberto) probably rerouted him for another go at major score on the dirt. My guess is that today's race was just a dry run for the $1 million Pennsylvania Derby in 4 weeks.

They can always wait for the Hollywood Derby on the grass later in the year if he doesn't get it done on the main.