Champion Untapable Retired

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I doubt Ron Winchell is beating himself up over that.

Owning 50% of a stallion that produces 30 mil a year after year helps. Nonetheless one would think a lesson has been learned. This mare hadnt been "herself" for awhile, very sporting to give her a chance to reclaim her quality and finish her career on top. Nobody is keeping score nor suggesting Ron Winchell is distraught with missing a season. Just a observation it was the wrong decision which it turned out to be.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Owning 50% of a stallion that produces 30 mil a year after year helps. Nonetheless one would think a lesson has been learned. This mare hadnt been "herself" for awhile, very sporting to give her a chance to reclaim her quality and finish her career on top. Nobody is keeping score nor suggesting Ron Winchell is distraught with missing a season. Just a observation it was the wrong decision which it turned out to be.

She lost the Spinster by a nose in her final start of 2015, and earlier in the year was beaten by the eventual BC Distaff winner and two horses who won multiple GIs. I don't think she was much worse in '15 than she was in '14, she was just facing better horses.

[Alabama Stakes]

The jock didn't do her any favors... Why woukd you fight with her instead of letting her run the way she wanted. First thing I would have asked the jock woulda been " what the **** were you doin out there you stupid little Bastid ?"

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

The jock didn't do her any favors... Why woukd you fight with her instead of letting her run the way she wanted. First thing I would have asked the jock woulda been " what the **** were you doin out there you stupid little Bastid ?"

To be fair to Geroux, people have been making the observation that letting a horse that wants to go just run zaps less energy than fighting the horse likely well before the Roman's were racing in chariots, yet today jocks at racetracks everywhere seemingly still haven't figured this out.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

She lost the Spinster by a nose in her final start of 2015, and earlier in the year was beaten by the eventual BC Distaff winner and two horses who won multiple GIs. I don't think she was much worse in '15 than she was in '14, she was just facing better horses.

So what you are suggesting is she never got better? she lost to some ordinary G1 talent IMO. GMD, Wedding Toast, Call Pat, Sheer Drama? Have a heart she was electric , she beat U Forever like a bad habit. Got Lucky? Really ?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

She lost the Spinster by a nose in her final start of 2015, and earlier in the year was beaten by the eventual BC Distaff winner and two horses who won multiple GIs. I don't think she was much worse in '15 than she was in '14, she was just facing better horses.

She was done racing and her trainer is nit exactly the standard for bringing them back once they have lost form,, A case can be made he is the worst at returning them to form. This was a special animal in IMO in hands that never gave her the chance to be elite. I get I am bias, but IMO she was extraordinary and her record doesnt remotely reflect her talent

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by freddymo

She was done racing and her trainer is nit exactly the standard for bringing them back once they have lost form,, A case can be made he is the worst at returning them to form. This was a special animal in IMO in hands that never gave her the chance to be elite. I get I am bias, but IMO she was extraordinary and her record doesnt remotely reflect her talent

Well put.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by freddymo

She was done racing and her trainer is nit exactly the standard for bringing them back once they have lost form,, A case can be made he is the worst at returning them to form. This was a special animal in IMO in hands that never gave her the chance to be elite. I get I am bias, but IMO she was extraordinary and her record doesnt remotely reflect her talent

Was she ever special? Solid, sure.

[freddymo]

[quote=RHT2004;1067559]Was she ever special? Solid, sure.[/QUOTE]too date on their best day Songbird couldn't warm her up. And I think Songbird is as good as ANY 3 year old in 16 save Nyquist

[RHT2004]

[quote=freddymo;1067560]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Was she ever special? Solid, sure.[/QUOTE]too date on their best day Songbird couldn't warm her up. And I think Songbird is as good as ANY 3 year old in 16 save Nyquist

Songbird is good, but is beating up on nothing and has now missed by far the 2 biggest races for 3yr old fillies so far. I want go see her beat Carina Mia.... I dont think she can.
With that said Songbird>Untapable as far as I'm concerned.

[KidCruz]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

She lost the Spinster by a nose in her final start of 2015, and earlier in the year was beaten by the eventual BC Distaff winner and two horses who won multiple GIs. I don't think she was much worse in '15 than she was in '14, she was just facing better horses.

This 100%. Shes still a competitive horse at the G1 level. Absent of a physical thing, I see no reason not to continue running her this year. She isn't embarrassing herself in any way. Plus, as others have mentioned, the ride by Geroux Saturday was laughable and borderline sketchy.