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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by -BT-

why they traded for a 40 something who logs the least amount of minutes on the back line and they don't even trust him to play in the clutch.......is beyond me.

old man looks lost out there

-bt-

Because they hoped to give him one last chance to win the cup. Hes done this year no matter what

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Because they hoped to give him one last chance to win the cup. Hes done this year no matter what

The Blackhawks have no loyalty to him, he never played for the organization,GM, coach etc....The Blackhawks were hoping that he could come back to about 70-80% because then he would be a functional 5th-6th defenseman. The Flyers didn't clear him from blood clots till about a week before the trade dead line so that he couldn't be scouted in game situations. The Hawks took a leap of faith because he was coming off of a very solid year where he was a plus player averaging 20 min. a game. It hasn't worked out to the degree they had hoped but it was certainly worth a try.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 3kings

The Blackhawks have no loyalty to him, he never played for the organization,GM, coach etc....The Blackhawks were hoping that he could come back to about 70-80% because then he would be a functional 5th-6th defenseman. The Flyers didn't clear him from blood clots till about a week before the trade dead line so that he couldn't be scouted in game situations. The Hawks took a leap of faith because he was coming off of a very solid year where he was a plus player averaging 20 min. a game. It hasn't worked out to the degree they had hoped but it was certainly worth a try.

I understand there's no loyalty, et, etc.
there doesn't have to be. it's a fairly free tryout and he retires at the end of this season no matter what.


and babcock to Toronto after all. why would you give up one cold city to go to another? I'd have gone to san jose in a minute!

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Taking nothing at all away from either, Ben Bishop has been standing on his head through both of rounds for Tampa.

The Rangers have no answer for Tampa's speed, and have been owned in the 3 games they have faced each other this season, with Hank looking completely lost, giving up 15 goals in those 3 games.

I'm thrilled they prevailed, as Ovechkin is simply inhuman, and the Capitals are much bigger and physical. As a Lightning fan, the last team I wanted to see was the Capitals.

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

How exactly does having 2 fast skaters answer the fact that this team couldn't shut down Tampa all season, regardless of what point in time that may have been?

Saying that you "have fast skaters too" as an answer as to you are going to control Tampa's speed is laughable. The Lightning were down 3 starting defense at most points during that stretch, and still managed to keep the Rangers impotent.

Good Luck Joey, ought to be an enjoyable series

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

The best thing they can do is forget this game ever happened - there was nothing to take away from it, other than you can simply NOT take penalties against Tampa - they will make you pay...Surprised they didn't learn that from the Habs series.
I agree, Tom - I expect a huge effort from them as well in Tampa. Gut check time for both teams. Tampa tends to play a little too loose early in the game following a big win, NYR needs to come out blazing and not let up. 0-0 at the start of the 2nd period will spell big trouble.

These posts are, dare I say, almost prophetic by the way

[ateamstupid]

Start Talbot

[dellinger63]

Is cross checking not a penalty anymore? Or just in the TB-NY series?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Start Talbot

I'd say Hank is on a short leash - Don't know if they'll start Talbot, but I would not be shocked to see him put in if the Rangers fall behind Friday night. Lundqvist's confidence is shot, and that's the worst possible thing to happen to a goalie, particularly at this point of the series.

Bishop was clearly not himself either- the first goal from Brassard he never even saw coming. Need to hope that was just an aberration and not an injury of some sort.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Bishop was clearly not himself either- the first goal from Brassard he never even saw coming.

Hard to see thru a human body unless you're an x-ray machine.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Start Talbot

and there it is......3 games into the EC finals, and you want to pull, what you said was, "the best goalie in the world"

not sure if it's a new york thing or what, but as soon as a guy slumps ya'll are the first to throw dirt on him.

truth be told, the rangers CAN'T afford to start Talbot. You start Talbot, you send a message to your all world goalie he can be replaced, and if that's the case he's gonna want to be traded. This isn't like the flower in Pitt, he sucked and had to be pulled, but Vokum is no Talbott, Talbott is capable of a starting job on this team or more then half the other teams in the league.

truth be told, i watched half the game, and i noticed a lot of odd man rushes going into the NY zone, can't blame everything on hank, his defense hasn't exactly stood tall

-bt-

[3kings]

Originally Posted by -BT-

and there it is......3 games into the EC finals, and you want to pull, what you said was, "the best goalie in the world"

not sure if it's a new york thing or what, but as soon as a guy slumps ya'll are the first to throw dirt on him.

truth be told, the rangers CAN'T afford to start Talbot. You start Talbot, you send a message to your all world goalie he can be replaced, and if that's the case he's gonna want to be traded. This isn't like the flower in Pitt, he sucked and had to be pulled, but Vokum is no Talbott, Talbott is capable of a starting job on this team or more then half the other teams in the league.

truth be told i watch the half the game, and i noticed a lot of odd man rushes going into the NY zone, can't blame everything on hank, his defense hasn't exactly stood tall

-bt-

I agree with most of this. There are some exceptionally fast talented forwards in this series and both teams have a few weak link links on D. Match-ups are going to be key. The need to keep Girardi and McDonagh against the triplets and keep Yandle who is just awful defensively away from them. On the other side you want your best players going at Carle and especially Coburn.

I know Nash is playing OK but you need your best players to score goals in the playoffs. Like I said earlier the Rangers are going to need 4-5 goals a night to win this series, I'm not sure they can get them without Nash leading the way.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by -BT-

and there it is......3 games into the EC finals, and you want to pull, what you said was, "the best goalie in the world"

not sure if it's a new york thing or what, but as soon as a guy slumps ya'll are the first to throw dirt on him.

truth be told, the rangers CAN'T afford to start Talbot. You start Talbot, you send a message to your all world goalie he can be replaced, and if that's the case he's gonna want to be traded. This isn't like the flower in Pitt, he sucked and had to be pulled, but Vokum is no Talbott, Talbott is capable of a starting job on this team or more then half the other teams in the league.

truth be told i watch the half the game, and i noticed a lot of odd man rushes going into the NY zone, can't blame everything on hank, his defense hasn't exactly stood tall

-bt-

It was a joke, dummy. But 28 goals in 6 games is enough reason to pull him if he starts Game 4 poorly. We're trying to win a Cup here, not stroke egos.

Yeah, Hank's gonna demand a trade if he gets pulled. That's not how playoff hockey works. Corey Crawford got yanked after one period this postseason and he has a ring. It wasn't a big deal and he was ready to go when called on again. Nobody is bigger than the team, if you're giving up 6 goals a game, you know you run the risk of getting benched, period.