Kellyn Gorder - buh bye for 14 months

[Cannon Shell]

The reports said 22 picograms was the level.

You can rant all you want but it doesnt change the reality that this guy probably is getting labeled and punished for something he didnt do.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The reports said 22 picograms was the level.

You can rant all you want but it doesnt change the reality that this guy probably is getting labeled and punished for something he didnt do.

Here is the ruling from the KHRC -

http://khrc.ky.gov/Rulings/150050.pdf


it makes no mention of the level detected - if that's available someplace for public consumption, that'd been real helpful, and gone a long way... Thanks.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Here is the ruling from the KHRC -

http://khrc.ky.gov/Rulings/150050.pdf


it makes no mention of the level detected - if that's available someplace for public consumption, that'd been real helpful, and gone a long way... Thanks.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/th...th-suspension/

under comments from Bill Casner

[Cannon Shell]

The irony of the general lament that drugs are ruining racing is ironic considering that horses in 2015 are probably running with less in their systems than at anytime in the last 30 years.

When I started training in 1999 in KY you could literally give 15 shots to a horse on race day. While it wouldnt be effective that quickly you could give a massive dose of painkillers and steroids 4 hours before the race. A large percentage of horses running in major races were getting milkshakes. And yet now all we hear is how dirty the game is and how drugged up the horses are despite the last 10 years having the largest overhaul of medication rules in the sports history.
Are things perfect? Of course not. Are there guys who are getting an edge? Absolutely. Do the rules need constant updating? Sure.

But the idea that things are worse than they ever have been just isnt correct. The rules are still not ideal as they are different in a lot of cases from state to state and lab to lab. Trainers and vet still dont have a firm idea of exactly what the rules are in many cases and the industry seems to prefer an adversarial relationship with horsemen as opposed to trying to come up with rules that are good for the horses and clear and easy to follow for the humans.

The biggest difference between now and 20 years ago is the information overload that we are subjected to. 20 years ago no one following NY racing would have paid 2 seconds attention to positive tests in New Mexico. A lot of the time you didnt even know a guy was suspended until a different name appeared in the program. We all act like things are so much worse but they arent. Its just that everything is a big deal now, greed and ignorance has caused the game to be overpriced and on the track the product just is not all that compelling.

I'm not saying that we can just look the other way when situations like this occur. However we need to think a little more critically and less conspiratorial.

[ADJMK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The reports said 22 picograms was the level.

You can rant all you want but it doesnt change the reality that this guy probably is getting labeled and punished for something he didnt do.

I agree with everything you say Chuck. unfortunately not everyone here has a real clue what goes on in the backstretch.
No trainer would use Meth as a means to win a race and not expect to get caught. Cheaters know how to find stuff that is not being tested for.

If it wasn't from contamination, a possible scenario is someone in the backstretch blew some meth up the horses nose and probably cashed a bet. Unfortunately the trainer takes the rap.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ADJMK

I agree with everything you say Chuck. unfortunately not everyone here has a real clue what goes on in the backstretch.
No trainer would use Meth as a means to win a race and not expect to get caught. Cheaters know how to find stuff that is not being tested for.

If it wasn't from contamination, a possible scenario is someone in the backstretch blew some meth up the horses nose and probably cashed a bet. Unfortunately the trainer takes the rap.

The problem with the blow up the nose theory is that had someone done that on raceday it would have likely produced a far higher level of drug. Had it been done prior to the day of the race could it actually have any effect?

[Danzig]

simply put, we can't win on this.
trainers who get one or a hundred positives get defended. how is anyone to know who got contaminated, and who didn't? how to know when someone obviously did something, and who didn't? he had unlabled meds, and syringes-does that matter or not?
i don't think anyone is happy to see a trainer 'caught', but they are happy to know a potential cheater is possibly removed...but then bettors get told they're stupid for being happy a potential cheater is removed.
than you have people who have a rap sheet a mile long, still in the sport. nominated for the hall of fame. caught with cobra venom and let back in a year later. people with long rap sheets who get clients because some clients will do anything to win.
what's the answer to this frustrating and ongoing dilemma?