Roman Chapa under investigation for buzzer

[dagolfer33]

On ABC national news right now.........

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Arletta

This should apply to ALL cheating in the game.. Trainers included.

Im all for giving someone a second chance. But a third, fourth, etc? No

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

On ABC national news right now.........

All. Over. Twitter. I mean insane right now. And just in time for the Derby Trail.

Peta vid 2.0

[saratogadew]

This story was on the ABC nightly news at 6:30 last night. You know the media will have fun with this one. During the Derby Trail they will throw out questions like " I wonder how many Jockeys use these buzzers that don't get caught"?. Or, "could this be common practice on the race track"? You know its coming.

[saratogadew]

And they will do away with the term buzzer. Its to mild. It will now be " a high voltage shock device"

[Arletta]

Danny Pish "Shocked" over allegations

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/pe...r-allegations/

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

All. Over. Twitter. I mean insane right now. And just in time for the Derby Trail.

Peta vid 2.0

...one other thing, whatever cameras they used to spot that buzzer, I wish they would use them to show the actual races on tv. Sam Houston is the grainiest non-defined resolution of any track shown.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

...one other thing, whatever cameras they used to spot that buzzer, I wish they would use them to show the actual races on tv. Sam Houston is the grainiest non-defined resolution of any track shown.

Emerald Downs is pretty bad too.

[Danzig]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...apa?source=rss

why just a five year ban? why are repeat violators not just shown the door?! the sport doesn't need them!!


The stewards ruled that Chapa violated four rules or racing: possession of contraband, influence of race prohibited, unlawful influence on racing, and inhumane treatment of horse or Greyhound.


The latest suspension is the third for Chapa for attempting to alter the outcome of a horse's performance during a race. During his first year as a jockey, Chapa was suspended for nine months in Texas for possession of contraband intended to increase or decrease the speed of his horse after he told investigators he used a nail on his horse. In 2007 he was suspended five years in New Mexico for possession of an electrical device and was reinstated on a probationary basis in May 2011 prior to completion of the suspension.

reprehensible repeat behaviors. he should never be allowed back.

[pointman]

I guess he learned his lesson the last time he was suspended for five years, why increase it when he does the same thing?

[casp0555]

he needs to look for a new line of work

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

I guess he learned his lesson the last time he was suspended for five years, why increase it when he does the same thing?

it is beyond absurd.

would the sport miss him if he was ruled off forever? of course not.

who does it serve if he's allowed back? again?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...apa?source=rss

why just a five year ban? why are repeat violators not just shown the door?! the sport doesn't need them!!

I think the truth of the matter is that the use of buzzers is so common that it's not even considered a big deal. The authorities have to act like it's a big deal but I don't think they truly think it's a big deal. How widespread is the use of buzzers? Since the year 2000, there have been 53 guys caught. I bet guys are caught less than 1% of the time, so there are probably thousands of instances of guys doing it. I had no idea that the use was still so widespread until seeing that statistic that there have been 53 cases since the year 2000.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/sp...cing.html?_r=1

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...apa?source=rss

why just a five year ban? why are repeat violators not just shown the door?! the sport doesn't need them!!


The stewards ruled that Chapa violated four rules or racing: possession of contraband, influence of race prohibited, unlawful influence on racing, and inhumane treatment of horse or Greyhound.


The latest suspension is the third for Chapa for attempting to alter the outcome of a horse's performance during a race. During his first year as a jockey, Chapa was suspended for nine months in Texas for possession of contraband intended to increase or decrease the speed of his horse after he told investigators he used a nail on his horse. In 2007 he was suspended five years in New Mexico for possession of an electrical device and was reinstated on a probationary basis in May 2011 prior to completion of the suspension.

reprehensible repeat behaviors. he should never be allowed back.

I believe that is the max they are allowed to give

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think the truth of the matter is that the use of buzzers is so common that it's not even considered a big deal. The authorities have to act like it's a big deal but I don't think they truly think it's a big deal. How widespread is the use of buzzers? Since the year 2000, there have been 53 guys caught. I bet guys are caught less than 1% of the time, so there are probably thousands of instances of guys doing it. I had no idea that the use was still so widespread until seeing that statistic that there have been 53 cases since the year 2000.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/sp...cing.html?_r=1

53 may be a fictional number

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think the truth of the matter is that the use of buzzers is so common that it's not even considered a big deal. The authorities have to act like it's a big deal but I don't think they truly think it's a big deal. How widespread is the use of buzzers? Since the year 2000, there have been 53 guys caught. I bet guys are caught less than 1% of the time, so there are probably thousands of instances of guys doing it. I had no idea that the use was still so widespread until seeing that statistic that there have been 53 cases since the year 2000.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/sp...cing.html?_r=1

i find that hard to believe...and i've never thought that's a good excuse to do it...that everyone does it.

http://www.jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=FB&area=6

53 guys caught.... from 2000 to 2014. total number of races in that time span?
820, 114.
that's one buzzer for every 15,473 races in this country.
so..widespread use?
doesn't look that way to me.

[Pants II]

Need TSA at the race tracks to stop this insanity.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe that is the max they are allowed to give

jockey ron franklin got a lifetime ban for personal drug use...
but a guy can repeatedly mistreat a horses, and can't get a lifetime ban? that is...insane.

[robfla]

the racing commission can only suspend an individual for up to five years


last paragraph:
http://www.drf.com/news/chapa-suspen...xas-commission

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i find that hard to believe...and i've never thought that's a good excuse to do it...that everyone does it.

http://www.jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=FB&area=6

53 guys caught.... from 2000 to 2014. total number of races in that time span?
820, 114.
that's one buzzer for every 15,473 races in this country.
so..widespread use?
doesn't look that way to me.

If 53 guys got caught, how many were there that didn't get caught? I highly doubt they catch more than 1%. If they catch 1%, that would mean that there were 5.300 cases. I was recently reading some comments from a former jockey who is now a trainer. He was riding in Kentucky in the last 10 years. He said that there were some jocks who all the other riders knew were carrying devices. Yet he said there were never any raids on the jockeys' room and there were never guys being frisked or anything like that. So how is anybody ever going to get caught? As I said before, I doubt they catch more than 1%.