Jockey shenanigans mar BC prep races

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

how is a front running horse who goes to the front being compromised? Is a speed horse supposed to be ridden differently? We know that there are two speed, or more, in a race prior to the race being run.

How did we know Sky Kingdom would be ridden to lose so much ground?

The rabbit isn't being compromised by "going to the front". The result of his actions, running as fast as he can to compromise another, is that he will ultimately have little left to win the race. It is his job.

We don't know Sky Kingdom will be ridden to lose ground. What we do know is that his trainer has another horse in the race. We also know the other horse is more likely to perform better than Sky Kingdom. As a bettor we have to know that it is conceivable that if given the opportunity, the weaker part of the entry could be used to compromise the chances of another, to potentially help his stablemate win.

For a minute let's say Sky Kingdom was outside of Shared Belief. Given the way the early pace developed Espinosa could have kept Smith inside of him and behind his stablemate. No ground would have been lost but potentially Shared Belief may have been compromised in another manner.

I'm not condoning what happened. I simply want to know why one strategy is acceptable and another is not.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

The rabbit isn't being compromised by "going to the front". The result of his actions, running as fast as he can to compromise another, is that he will ultimately have little left to win the race. It is his job.

We don't know Sky Kingdom will be ridden to lose ground. What we do know is that his trainer has another horse in the race. We also know the other horse is more likely to perform better than Sky Kingdom. As a bettor we have to know that it is conceivable that if given the opportunity, the weaker part of the entry could be used to compromise the chances of another, to potentially help his stablemate win.

For a minute let's say Sky Kingdom was outside of Shared Belief. Given the way the early pace developed Espinosa could have kept Smith inside of him and behind his stablemate. No ground would have been lost but potentially Shared Belief may have been compromised in another manner.

I'm not condoning what happened. I simply want to know why one strategy is acceptable and another is not.

I dont see how one horse is sacrificed, he is a front runner who will have to go head to head with another, usually superior front runner, his loss is very likely and certainly discernible.

Your analysis pre race certainly highlights why many people dont want to bet on the sport.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont see how one horse is sacrificed, he is a front runner who will have to go head to head with another, usually superior front runner, his loss is very likely and certainly discernible.

Your analysis pre race certainly highlights why many people dont want to bet on the sport.

So his loss being likely and discernible makes it ok to make him a separate betting interest, available for the public to wager and lose their money?

My pre race analysis points out only a possibility, nothing more. There are no absolutes. Bettors can choose which races to wager.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

The rabbit isn't being compromised by "going to the front". The result of his actions, running as fast as he can to compromise another, is that he will ultimately have little left to win the race. It is his job.

We don't know Sky Kingdom will be ridden to lose ground. What we do know is that his trainer has another horse in the race. We also know the other horse is more likely to perform better than Sky Kingdom. As a bettor we have to know that it is conceivable that if given the opportunity, the weaker part of the entry could be used to compromise the chances of another, to potentially help his stablemate win.

For a minute let's say Sky Kingdom was outside of Shared Belief. Given the way the early pace developed Espinosa could have kept Smith inside of him and behind his stablemate. No ground would have been lost but potentially Shared Belief may have been compromised in another manner.

I'm not condoning what happened. I simply want to know why one strategy is acceptable and another is not.

Pretty obvious through 6 pages that nobody has an answer for this. You're wasting your time.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pretty obvious through 6 pages that nobody has an answer for this. You're wasting your time.

This can go on forever and no one is changing camps.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pretty obvious through 6 pages that nobody has an answer for this. You're wasting your time.

I have time, but thanks.

[pointman]

The difference is really simple. Running a rabbit, or to simplify it to its core, running a horse as fast as they can for as long as the horse can go is simply within the rules of the game.

Herding is against the rules and is something that drives the bettors crazy because it is giving a horse an unfair advantage over an opponent.

BTW, I did not bet Sky Kingdom and frankly thought he had no shot on paper.