Name what you would do to turn the economy around

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm reading book two in the oxford american history series. covers from 1789-1815. something jumped out at me-the feeling by most in the early days of forming our federal govt that citizens could rule themselves without much govt interference, without the govt 'knowing what's best' or 'what's good for us'-since many only knew about their own region, and not the larger country. i think we've really gotten away from that line of thinking. too many now believe the opposite, that the elite have our best interests at heart, and will take care of us.

those who ignore history.....

At that point, however, we raised and slaughtered our own food in our backyards, lived locally (for our resources), created our own transportation systems, died young and hardly left our national borders.

The world simply is a quite different place today. I have no desire to give up the federal programs that keep us all safe, such as the Centers for Disease Control, the Food & Drug Administration, FEMA to help with the rebuilding when something like Katrina strikes, etc. We are a socially interdependent country, not Galt's Gulch.

We are the ones that elect our leaders. If our leaders suck, it's our own fault

I personally am thrilled (and relieved) we elected Obama-Biden over McCain-Palin. Sarah Palin a heartbeat from the Presidency of the United States. Yes, we can't ignore our history.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

6. Term limits for all political offices (except Supreme Court)...Senators...2 terms, Reps...5 terms.

Having term limits removes all incentive (re-election) for responsible behaviour.

3. Mandatory reduction of salaries/bonuses/benefits for CEO's, other upper management folks, professional sports figures...nobody makes more than a million a year.

What would be the point? This is America, that would be illegal anyway.

[clyde]

I think if Paine,Jefferson,Washington,Revere,Hale,et al.....all those who braved that wretched big ol' sea and an unsettled land to escape tyranny....if they put themselves in a bottle and had it thrown in another far off sea in hopes of returning here to take in what the future held...and they washed up in this room...


what would they say?



I think it might be:









"Oh boy."

[Riot]

I think it would be, "You're kidding - you can drink the water?"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

At that point, however, we raised and slaughtered our own food in our backyards, lived locally (for our resources), created our own transportation systems, died young and hardly left our national borders.

The world simply is a quite different place today. I have no desire to give up the federal programs that keep us all safe, such as the Centers for Disease Control, the Food & Drug Administration, FEMA to help with the rebuilding when something like Katrina strikes, etc. We are a socially interdependent country, not Galt's Gulch.

We are the ones that elect our leaders. If our leaders suck, it's our own fault

I personally am thrilled (and relieved) we elected Obama-Biden over McCain-Palin. Sarah Palin a heartbeat from the Presidency of the United States. Yes, we can't ignore our history.

One rarely thinks of FEMA, CDC or FDA when we think Gov't intrusion

[clyde]

I think it would be, "You're kidding - you can drink the water?"



That was awful.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Having term limits removes all incentive (re-election) for responsible behaviour.

Really?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by clyde

I think it would be, "You're kidding - you can drink the water?"



That was awful.

But probably true. Potable water commonly available. And no smallpox.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Really?

No, I just made it up out of thin air.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I just made it up out of thin air.

So what you are saying is that the ONLY incentive to "behave responsibly" is re-election? That positions that have term limits must be rife with irresponsible behavior then right?

So Governors and Presidents are immune to this rule?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So what you are saying is that the ONLY incentive to "behave responsibly" is re-election? That positions that have term limits must be rife with irresponsible behavior then right?

So Governors and Presidents are immune to this rule?

Good point, I'll change it to say not only, but yes, I think term limits makes one a lame-duck from day one in the last term, and removes nearly all the responsibility for those so inclined.

BTW, McCain's presidential election committee (during the primary) had him running as a "one term and out" promise (because he was old, had cancer, etc. They thought it would help with his election). He got all the way to the day he was going to make that announcement, then they backed off. They determined it would render him mostly useless in office. I agree.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by wiphan

If you love this country and what it stands for you would not make a statement like you do above. Stating that no one should make over $1 million a year is absolutely ridiculous. If you truly believe this you should probably move

So, anyone who disagrees with your political views should leave the US? Interesting! As I've stated before, nobody receiving a salary should make over a million, if you want more...start your own business, be creative and innovative and you can earn as much as you make...the American dream is related to being creative, creating jobs, new products and services...our economy is driven by such bold, creative folks, not those who are selected to be CEO's and other upper management folks or sports stars. This country stands for individual freedoms and fairness not getting rich sitting behind a desk reducing everything to dollars and cents or playing games.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

make weed,gambling,prostitution,speeding, legal.death penalty for cocaine/and smack.make horse racing the national sport. limit player contracts in all sports to 95k a year.fire obama and the rest of congress.start new elections for 2014. in all spots..get rid of the irs make a flat tax...and get pete rose in the hall of fame.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

So, anyone who disagrees with your political views should leave the US? Interesting!

LOL - did you see what my completely moronic Senator Rand Paul just said? According to Paul, if you are listening to speeches about violent overthrow of the goverment, you should be arrested.

What a complete jackass.

Google: rand paul speeches overthrow

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Good point, I'll change it to say not only, but yes, I think term limits makes one a lame-duck from day one in the last term, and removes nearly all the responsibility for those so inclined.

BTW, McCain's presidential election committee (during the primary) had him running as a "one term and out" promise (because he was old, had cancer, etc. They thought it would help with his election). He got all the way to the day he was going to make that announcement, then they backed off. They determined it would render him mostly useless in office. I agree.

But the positions where one person has a huge responsibility have term limits yet Congress which is I believe 538 persons doesn't. Wouldn't the fact that a Congressman has but 1 vote out of 538 kind of police non responsible behavior? The Congressmen (and women) that people seem to distrust/dislike the most are the career politicians that are usually from districts/states where they are practically unbeatable. They not only have little worry about reelection, they gain far too much power because of time served. That is what those of us who are for term limits are worried about. If you are a dedicated public servant (lol), then you can serve in another capacity until you run for election again after the next term has been served.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Riot

But probably true. Potable water commonly available. And no smallpox.

See what I mean?

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I just made it up out of thin air.

( )

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

clyde for prez

[clyde]

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

So, anyone who disagrees with your political views should leave the US? Interesting! As I've stated before, nobody receiving a salary should make over a million, if you want more...start your own business, be creative and innovative and you can earn as much as you make...the American dream is related to being creative, creating jobs, new products and services...our economy is driven by such bold, creative folks, not those who are selected to be CEO's and other upper management folks or sports stars. This country stands for individual freedoms and fairness not getting rich sitting behind a desk reducing everything to dollars and cents or playing games.

So if I start my own business you are going to limit what I can pay my employees?

The idea that CEO's simply fall into the positions that they are in is ludicrous.
The idea that all upper management people are over paid buffoons is silly
The idea that sports stars salaries matter to the economy is idiotic. As a matter of fact based on 98% of athletes spending habits they are the ultimate in economic stimulator's.
Fairness can come into play when people start getting off their asses, taking responsibility for their own situations and stop worrying about what someone else is making.

Charlie Finley lives...