A Case for Not Bombing Syria

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Zig, I don't believe we shouldn't act period. This civil war poses no definable threat to the US. Zero. Any imagined threat is simply just more unsubstantiated fear mongering by the war machine in order to continue to perpetuate itself.

I think it's pretty clear that an American attack, without the sanction of the United Nations, the support of allies, the authorization of Congress -- or, it must be said, much hope of meaningful success -- would violate the Constitution. As Jack Goldsmith writes in Lawfare, it "will push presidential war power beyond where it has gone before.",

Given this president's complete and utter disregard for the document, I guess we can expect to see the same outcomes as we've seen in Iraq, Egypt, Lybia, et al. where we've stuck our nose into other sovereign nation's matters, involved the lives of our sons and daughters along with billions upon billions of dollars we don't have, only to cut and run after we've created the mess, all under the auspices of the self-proclaimed "World Police".

Meanwhile our infrastructure continues to collapse, major cities declare bankruptcy, welfare soars to it's highest level in recorded history - and THIS is the main focus. I must be the crazy one.

Almost exactly my position on invading Iraq 10 1/2 years ago..any action here w/o Congress,U.N. and allies aboard...please abort...and absolutely no ground troops!...What scares me is McCain and Boner are on board with Obama

[Danzig]

iraq invasion was bs too. i have no doubt we'd have been done and gone from afganistan years ago if not for the stupid iraq invasion.

is iraq better off?
are we? is that region better off?

no, no and no. yes, a brutal dictator is gone. what's followed his demise?

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

iraq invasion was bs too. i have no doubt we'd have been done and gone from afganistan years ago if not for the stupid iraq invasion.absolutely!..in an out in one year in Afgan,rout Taliban and grab or kill bin laden..

is iraq better off?.hell no, not for us or them
are we? is that region better off? if so show me where

no, no and no. yes, a brutal dictator is gone. what's followed his demise?They have a democracy, yeah right

All the countries taking in fleeing Syrians.Turkey,Egypt,Lebanon et all can no longer handle the influx...all these questions and no answers...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

All the countries taking in fleeing Syrians.Turkey,Egypt,Lebanon et all can no longer handle the influx...all these questions and no answers...

jordan has also stepped up to the plate. a couple million last i saw have fled syria.

you'd think the arab league would step in...


haha! yeah, right. not sure why there even is an arab league. the middle east is imploding.

it's like europe 1000 years ago. hope it doesn't take them a thousand years to sort it out.

[Danzig]

i'm even more disgusted now. people playing around like this is some kind of game. playing video poker during hearings, joking around about 'losing' money, rand paul running his mouth...a general asked to make comments, who laughingly says 'no, don't want to'.
acting as tho this will all be sooo easy. yeah, it always works out that way, right?
gulf 91 is the last positive action i can recall in that region.

[dellinger63]

The guy's we are supporting?

Everyone involved should start playing poker if it keeps us out of this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/wo...t.html?hp&_r=0

[Danzig]

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d28...d5a18ec77cdfd6


Sep. 5, 2013 9:27 AM ET

SPIN METER: Obama on use of US military might

By JOSH LEDERMANBy JOSH LEDERMAN, Associated Press



ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) — As a candidate focused on his own election, Barack Obama championed restraint and global cooperation when faced with security threats.

Now, as commander in chief of a world superpower, his rhetoric of the past is being tested by the reality of today as he presses Congress to allow the United States to launch a military strike against the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad, over the objections of most major U.S. allies.

It's a posture that conflicts with positions he took as a young senator, a 2008 presidential candidate and even a first-term president as he cast himself as a counterweight to the more aggressive approach to national security embodied by his Republican predecessor, President George W. Bush.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm even more disgusted now. people playing around like this is some kind of game. playing video poker during hearings, joking around about 'losing' money, rand paul running his mouth...a general asked to make comments, who laughingly says 'no, don't want to'.
acting as tho this will all be sooo easy. yeah, it always works out that way, right?
gulf 91 is the last positive action i can recall in that region.

Right, Bush1 did it right..expell the Iraqis from Kuwait and push them back to their homeland..Halfway to Baghdad..His son should have read his book on why we didn't advance to Baghdad and Saddam.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Right, Bush1 did it right..expell the Iraqis from Kuwait and push them back to their homeland..Halfway to Baghdad..His son should have read his book on why we didn't advance to Baghdad and Saddam.

did the book say if saddam was removed, it would lead to chaos in iraq, as well as the rest of the region? that it would embolden iran and syria? that it would make things worse instead of better? that the other dictators all wanted saddam to stay, as they knew they'd all be targets in future? you know...just like putin doesn't want to be seen as backing regime change, engineered and orchestrated by rival countries...because he might well see it happen in russia? i mean, the people can only be placated by so many outdoorsy man with no shirt photos.