Top Thoroughbreds (2000 to present)

[Danzig]

if you're going to list gz, i guess you could also include candy ride. he had 11 lifetime starts, not a picture of good health and soundness.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if you're going to list gz, i guess you could also include candy ride. he had 11 lifetime starts, not a picture of good health and soundness.

Ghostzapper is going to be rated a clear-cut #1 on the list of anyone with any credibility.

He has five sensational races from five starts as an older horse...ranging from 7f to 10f ... shipped from New York, to New Jersey, to Texas.

Candy Ride's alw win on dirt was nothing special. His turf win was very good, but hardly great. His Pacific Classic was his breakout race. He never returned after it.

[Calzone Lord]

Here is the contrast between Ghostzapper and Candy Ride:

Ghostzapper:



He got herded out to the hotdog stand by Saint Liam in the Woodward and probably would have been the winner via DQ had he not won the race. It was a LONG way back to 3rd.


Candy Ride:



An alw race, a turf race, a huge Pacific Classic win in a small field and he never came back from it.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Here is the contrast between Ghostzapper and Candy Ride:

Ghostzapper:



He got herded out to the hotdog stand by Saint Liam in the Woodward and probably would have been the winner via DQ had he not won the race. It was a LONG way back to 3rd.


Candy Ride:



An alw race, a turf race, a huge Pacific Classic win in a small field and he never came back from it.

Please show these PPs again but include the first three finishers.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Please show these PPs again but include the first three finishers.

Ghostzapper's wins:

Met Mile over Silver Wagon and Sir Shackleton

BC Classic over Roses in May and Pleasantly Perfect

Woodword over Saint Liam and Bowman's Band (Groupie Doll's sire)

Iselin over Presidentialaffair and Zoffinger

Tom Fool over Aggadan and Unforgettable Max


Candy Ride's wins:

Pacific Classic win over Medaglia D' Oro and Fleetstreet Dancer.

American Handicap win over Special Ring and Irish Warrior

Alw race over Primerica and Bonus Pay Day

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Here is the contrast between Ghostzapper and Candy Ride:

Ghostzapper:



He got herded out to the hotdog stand by Saint Liam in the Woodward and probably would have been the winner via DQ had he not won the race. It was a LONG way back to 3rd.


Candy Ride:



An alw race, a turf race, a huge Pacific Classic win in a small field and he never came back from it.

Ghostzapper's races are OBVIOUSLY better, as charts are in LARGE, EASY TO READ print. Candy Ride, I have to squint and use a magnifying glass

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by golfer

Ghostzapper's races are OBVIOUSLY better, as charts are in LARGE, EASY TO READ print. Candy Ride, I have to squint and use a magnifying glass

I sent Indian Charlie a ton of PP's for good foreign horses. My computer crashed a few months later. He has them and I don't.

This is all I have left for Candy Ride:

[Calzone Lord]

[parsixfarms]

I like most of the lists. A few horses that I would consider for inclusion:

2YO male sprinter: Cuvee.

2YO turf filly: Melhor Ainda.

3YO turf male: War Chant.

Older male sprinter: Speightstown.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Look at the gaps from 2nd place to 3rd place in those races. All of those races fractured.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I sent Indian Charlie a ton of PP's for good foreign horses. My computer crashed a few months later. He has them and I don't.

This is all I have left for Candy Ride:

Coincidence? Doubt it.

I'm with you on Ghostzapper. Just wish he could have run more frequently.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I sent Indian Charlie a ton of PP's for good foreign horses. My computer crashed a few months later. He has them and I don't.

This is all I have left for Candy Ride:

This PP shows Candy ride as the #2 and Megdalio D'Oro in bold. Was this a 2003 BC Classic early edition?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

This PP shows Candy ride as the #2 and Megdalio D'Oro in bold. Was this a 2003 BC Classic early edition?

bc future advanced pps

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I sent Indian Charlie a ton of PP's for good foreign horses. My computer crashed a few months later. He has them and I don't.

This is all I have left for Candy Ride:

Yeah, I still have all those pps for horses going back to the 80s, including every single horse to have run in the BCC (as of a couple of years ago).

I didn't realize you no longer had them. I was curious as to why you clipped off the top three finishers portion of the pps for GZ and CR.

Personally, I am suspicious of some of those figures that GZ's opponents earned while running huge and new career bests while only running against GZ.

At least CR destroyed a legitimately consistent and top notch opponent in crushing Medaglio D'Oro, who was MUCH better than pretty much anything GZ ever beat. (edit. I forgot GZ beat a nice horse in St. Liam)

And Special Ring, while not an all time great on turf, was certainly a very tough horse.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Personally, I am suspicious of some of those figures that GZ's opponents earned while running huge and new career bests while only running against GZ.

First, this is not a true statement.

Second, every figure maker known to man had all of Ghostzapper's races insanely fast.

Everything was fairly cut and dry about the figures for his races. That is why every figure maker had all of his races fast.

Perhaps, in some great conspiracy, the track maintenance crew souped up the track right before all of Ghostzapper's races ... and the track maintenance crew slowed it down right after all of his races?