Top Thoroughbreds (2000 to present)

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

A claim made on impression that can't be backed up.

Well, you really can't back up anything you assert in this thread.

However, he did break his maiden by like 10 going long.

His next start, he lost the HP Futurity to Real Quiet by a nose or so.

His early 3yo season form, all routes, was outstanding, all while developing anemia and being trained by Randy Bradshaw, perhaps the worst trainer in Southern California history. By the time the classics rolled around, he was a wreck.

Anyone who races a horse while knowing its anemic should receive electro shock therapy.

Do you need me to define anemia for you? His races against RQ and IC at that time were utterly fantastic considering.

[Calzone Lord]

It's a shame Artax was wasted in sprint races, I suppose.

When he was drilling superstar sprinters like Kona Gold and Big Jag while breaking Mr. Prospector's track record at GP and running monster number after monster number ... he could have been doing so much more in route races.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

It's a shame Artax was wasted in sprint races, I suppose.

When he was drilling superstar sprinters like Kona Gold and Big Jag while breaking Mr. Prospector's track record at GP and running monster number after monster number ... he could have been doing so much more in route races.

That's not my point at all, and you know that.

He was an all around freak. I don't know how he'd have done on turf, but he reminded me a bit of Ack Ack, a forgotten wonder horse.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Anyone who races a horse while knowing its anemic should receive electro shock therapy.

Consider who owned Artax. Not exactly known for having the welfare of the horse as a top priority.

[Calzone Lord]

Artax's final race was the 1999 Breeders Cup Sprint, if anyone is wondering why he's not on the list of sprinters.

Indian Charlie's list would be made up of mostly all cripples. Which is fine, if you don't consider durability an important trait.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

2yo Male: Uncle Mo, War Pass, Macho Uno, Stevie Wonderboy
2yo Female: Tempera, Storm Flag Flying, Halfbrideld, My Miss Aurelia
2yo Turf Male: Barbaro, Peace Rules, Interactif, Cowboy Cal
2yo Turf Female: Dreaming of Anna, J'Ray, Fantastic Filly, Winter Memories
2yo Male Sprinter: Officer, Came Home, Afleet Alex, Roman Ruler
2yo Female Sprinter: Cashier's Dream, Beholder, You, Hot Dixie Chick,

3yo Male: Smarty Jones, Tiznow, Point Given, Bernardini
3yo Female: Rachel Alexandra, Rags To Riches, Blind Luck, Royal Delta
3yo Turf Male: Kitten's Joy, Conduit, High Chaparral, Rock Of Gibraltor,
3yo Turf Female: Banks Hill, Ouija Board, Goldikova, Six Perfections
3yo Male Sprinter: Caller One, Squirtle Squirt, Lost In The Fog, Cajun Beat
3yo Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Indian Blessing, Madcap Escapade, Lady Tak
Older Male: Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree
Older Female: Zenyatta, Azeri, Havre De Grace, Riboletta,
Older Turf Male: Fantastic Light, Leroidesanemeaux, Wise Dan, English Channel,
Older Turf Female: Godikova, Ouija Board, Golden Apples, Voodoo Dancer
Older Male Sprinter: Kona Gold, Midnight Lute, Swept Overboard, Fabulous Strike
Older Female Sprinter: Groupie Doll, Xtra Heat, Honest Lady, Informed Decision,

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Indian Charlie's list would be made up of mostly all cripples. Which is fine, if you don't consider durability an important trait.

Kind of like the horses above in bold?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Kind of like the horses above in bold?

No.

For starters ... Uncle Mo, War Pass, and Stevie Wonderboy were healthy for their entire 2yo season.

Only an idiot considers the after career when they rate 2-year-olds.

You rate 2yo's on 2yo form.

[Danzig]

if you're going to list gz, i guess you could also include candy ride. he had 11 lifetime starts, not a picture of good health and soundness.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if you're going to list gz, i guess you could also include candy ride. he had 11 lifetime starts, not a picture of good health and soundness.

Ghostzapper is going to be rated a clear-cut #1 on the list of anyone with any credibility.

He has five sensational races from five starts as an older horse...ranging from 7f to 10f ... shipped from New York, to New Jersey, to Texas.

Candy Ride's alw win on dirt was nothing special. His turf win was very good, but hardly great. His Pacific Classic was his breakout race. He never returned after it.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

No.

For starters ... Uncle Mo, War Pass, and Stevie Wonderboy were healthy for their entire 2yo season.

Only an idiot considers the after career when they rate 2-year-olds.

You rate 2yo's on 2yo form.

I forgot about this gem.

How can you be confident in that? Uncle Mo had three starts as a 2yo, one of which was a msw.

Stevie Wonderboy was not a sound horse at all.

War Pass? Do you think he suddenly became unsound when January 1 rolled around?

Speaking of War Pass, has he sired anything useful besides maybe Javas War? He was an intriguing stallion prospect I thought. Might have been a terrible sire, or possibly a really great one.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I forgot about this gem.

How can you be confident in that?

You're being a complete idiot.

Just pathetically and painfully stupid.

Horses are rated by body of work. How hard is that to understand for anyone with an IQ over 60?

When you rate 2yo's you compare 2yo form VS 2yo form.

When you rate older horses -- you compare 4yo and up form VS 4yo and up form.

Candy Ride had one great race and two good races. Not enough body of work to rate with the best older horses .... why? Because he was didn't stay sound.

The fact that 2yo's like Uncle Mo, War Pass, Macho Uno, and Stevie Wonderboy were all a bunch of cripples doesn't disqualify them ... because their 2yo form is superior to the 2yo form of other champions of the decade.

In other words, soundness issues prevented Candy Ride from running more than one great race. Ghostzapper had 5 great races.

Horses like Uncle Mo, War Par, Macho Uno and Stevie Wonderboy all had more than one great 2yo performance.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Speaking of War Pass, has he sired anything useful besides maybe Javas War? He was an intriguing stallion prospect I thought. Might have been a terrible sire, or possibly a really great one.

He has a MSW winner in MD named Ore Pass that might be a nice one.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

no chesterhouse..list incomplete..

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

no chesterhouse..list incomplete..

Chester House was just 1-for-6 in his final year of racing ... 2000.

He did impressively win the Arlington Million in his swan song ... but that was it.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Chester House was just 1-for-6 in his final year of racing ... 2000.

He did impressively win the Arlington Million in his swan song ... but that was it.

Really? I thought he won the Eddie Read, but maybe he just ran well there.

Yep, just looked it up. Second in the Read.