Healthcare reform - subsidy eligibility calculator

[bigrun]

When lies triumph over facts, we’re done

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care.” – Sarah Palin, August 7, 2009

The death panels are back.

Sarah Palin’s vision of a dystopian society in which the elderly and infirm would be required to justify their continued existence before a jury of federal functionaries has been widely ridiculed since she first posted it on Facebook three years ago. It was designated “Lie of the Year” by Politifact, the nonpartisan fact checking website, something that would have mortified and humiliated anyone who was capable of those feelings.

Last week, Palin doubled down. “Though I was called a liar for calling it like it is,” she posted, “many of these accusers finally saw that Obamacare did in fact create a panel of faceless bureaucrats who have the power to make life and death decisions about health care funding.” Note that that’s not actually the claim she made in 2009. Of course, “Obamacare,” a.k.a. the Affordable Care Act, was upheld by the Supreme Court Thursday, which must gratify Team Obama.

Indeed, falsehoods are harder to kill than a Hollywood zombie. Run them through with fact, and still they shamble forward, fueled by echo chamber media,(Fox news!) ideological tribalism, cognitive dissonance, a certain imperviousness to shame, and an understanding that a lie repeated long enough, loudly enough, becomes, in the minds of those who need to believe it, truth.

That is the lesson of the birthers and truthers, of Sen. Jon Kyl’s “not intended to be a factual statement” about Planned Parenthood, of Glenn Beck’s claim that conservatives founded the Civil Rights Movement, and of pretty much every word Michele Bachmann says. It seems that not only are facts no longer important, but they are not even the point.

Rather, the point is the construction and maintenance of an alternate narrative designed to enhance and exploit the receiver’s fears, his or her sense of prerogatives, entitlement, propriety and morality under siege from outside forces.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/3...#storylink=cpy

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

When lies triumph over facts, we’re done

The Republicans have been screeching lies about health care since it was first discussed. It's continuing today. This weekend on the kiss and cry political shows, Mitch McConnell was in full-blown-pants-on-fire mode.

Fact is, every president has wanted to reform our out-of-control, most-expensive-in-the-world healthcare system. We pay double our GDP what every other top 50 nation pays to have healthcare that millions are unable to access.

They're just pissed the black Democrat got it successfully passed, especially against their total obstruction and middle of the night vote calls.

That Obama used essentially the GOP Heritage Foundation plan presented in 1993 by GOP in the House and Senate as the opposition plan law change to Hillarycare makes it hurt even more.

[AlreadyHome]

The Republicans have been screeching lies about health care since it was first discussed.

Its the American Way

[Honu]

Does nothing for me. I even put myself in as single, doesnt change jack.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Honu

Does nothing for me. I even put myself in as single, doesnt change jack.

well, at least you will be comforted in knowing you make enough to subsidize others, but not yourself. well, no more than you already do!

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, at least you will be comforted in knowing you make enough to subsidize others, but not yourself. well, no more than you already do!

What I dont get is, I AM the middle class, you know the one's who pay their taxes and pave the roads. Im all for helping the poor and people truly in need the one's that cant help themselves but dont we already have programs in place for that. Ah dunno just seems like alot of build up to nothing, for me anyway. I guess we will see what happens, I just have a hard time believing the insurance companies are going to take it up the cornholio.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Honu

What I dont get is, I AM the middle class, you know the one's who pay their taxes and pave the roads. Im all for helping the poor and people truly in need the one's that cant help themselves but dont we already have programs in place for that. Ah dunno just seems like alot of build up to nothing, for me anyway. I guess we will see what happens, I just have a hard time believing the insurance companies are going to take it up the cornholio.

Congratulations, you are among the 251 million Americans that are unaided by the ACA!! Expect to show your thanks by paying a bit more.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Honu

What I dont get is, I AM the middle class, you know the one's who pay their taxes and pave the roads. Im all for helping the poor and people truly in need the one's that cant help themselves but dont we already have programs in place for that. Ah dunno just seems like alot of build up to nothing, for me anyway. I guess we will see what happens, I just have a hard time believing the insurance companies are going to take it up the cornholio.

yeah...but you're in the same pickle i'm in. i don't get why they did so much of this, as i've said in the past-states already have programs for people who have pre-existing conditions to get insurance.
they should have just done single payer, i'll say that til i die i guess. this new system will bankrupt the federal govt, which is already on a bad path with spending and the budget, the debt and deficit. and because the feds, unlike everyone else, don't have to include pension funding in their 'budgets' the real deficit is much, much higher than what they officially state. amazing.
but they ignore what economists and the cbl have been recommending, and focus on health care instead-and then produce a cobbled together mish mash that keeps health companies, the ultimate evil-yet something everyone should join?-medicare (look at the savings!) medicaid (ignore the funding, it is going to be higher than the medicare savings!) and adds subsidies for people to buy insurance(if they had single payer, there would be no insurance companies-what would that save???)...which we all know where that funding will come from for the subsidies. for the huge expansion of medicaid(if states sign up for it). but magically, this program won't cost any more than what we have now.
right. sure. in what world do you expand spending, but it costs no more?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, at least you will be comforted in knowing you make enough to subsidize others, but not yourself. well, no more than you already do!

Unless Honu is making over $200,000-$250,000 a year, or visiting the tanning salon, Honu's not "subsidizing" anything

Honu, you get work coverage or have to buy your own?

One good thing it does for all riders ... all those aches, pains, broken bones that most riders get along the way, and the total back/knee soreness +/- arthritis when you get over 40 is no longer "pre-existing" stuff!

And no more paying an arm and a leg for coverage, if you purchase your own health insurance, just because you are in a dangerous sport professionally.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Unless Honu is making over $200,000-$250,000 a year, or visiting the tanning salon, Honu's not "subsidizing" anything

Honu, you get work coverage or have to buy your own?

One good thing it does for all riders ... all those aches, pains, broken bones that most riders get along the way, and the total back/knee soreness +/- arthritis when you get over 40 is no longer "pre-existing" stuff!

And no more paying an arm and a leg for coverage, if you purchase your own health insurance, just because you are in a dangerous sport professionally.

I get insurance through my partners job, I cant say that I know of any back stretch workers who are insured through their bosses. Like I said I didnt have to take any exam for the insurance I have and I wasnt asked any questions about pre-existing injuries. I was just curious and calculated in my income and it gave me just about the same exact numbers I pay now. I make scale salary for my job in Ca. I dont know what others make back east.