Elway trying to draft the next Elway

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Bold statement about tonight. One of the worst defenses in the game as opposed t one of the best.
With your ability to forecast the unknown you to should spend more time in the selections thread. Where did you have the Broncos 4 starts ago? Certainly it was 3-1. You people know as much about football as Riot does politics.

i wasn't the one boasting about a 3-1 record against miami, detroit, oakland, and kansas city, pot.

-kettle.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i wasn't the one boasting about a 3-1 record against miami, detroit, oakland, and kansas city, pot.

-kettle.

The Jets suck too now.

[Clip-Clop]

Von Miller will turn out (might already be) the best player from the last two or three drafts. Kid is a remarkable player and athlete and is learning to recognize and cover much more quickly than I expected. That was a great decision, not that Peterson hasn't been impressive but Miller is the real deal.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Von Miller will turn out (might already be) the best player from the last two or three drafts. Kid is a remarkable player and athlete and is learning to recognize and cover much more quickly than I expected. That was a great decision, not that Peterson hasn't been impressive but Miller is the real deal.

while I agree with you... Suh is that player from the last two or three drafts. Von Miller has the opportunity to be as dominant as Suh though. He's a beast.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

while I agree with you... Suh is that player from the last two or three drafts. Von Miller has the opportunity to be as dominant as Suh though. He's a beast.

I was going to make a joke about Suh vs. Miller education but just learned that Suh graduated with a degree as well. Nice to see these kids finishing out college.

He made Revis miss a tackle. 'nuff said.

[jms62]

Tebow is like a hand-job everyone happy with the results even though it probably isn't their preferred method of play. His style will go the way of the Wildcat as soon as Defenses start taking them seriously.

[Antitrust32]

Tebow is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. But he is one of the best football players in the league. All 32 teams in football would be lucky to have a guy with his heart and courage on their team.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Tebow is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. But he is one of the best football players in the league. All 32 teams in football would be lucky to have a guy with his heart and courage on their team.

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[Antitrust32]

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think you're sig sums up Tebow perfectly

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think you're sig sums up Tebow perfectly

yes because we all know a 4-1 record is settling for less!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The Jets suck too now.

denver's offense scored 10 points in 60 minutes.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

denver's offense scored 10 points in 60 minutes.

I think an arguement could be made it was really only 7. I put the first 3 on Jets punter TJ Conley who gave them unbelieveable field position. They only got 15 yards before they kicked the FG.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Punters can shank one once in a while, anywhere, of course, but you'd hope for that not to happen in Denver, where a punter can get more out of his kicks there than anywhere else. That shank was a major culprit in the first score.

Someone mentioned a few days before the game that he was disappointed in the Jets' safeties. Considering Leonhard's miss at the beginning of the final drive and Smith's culpability at the end of it, I'd have to say that the analysis seems legitimate.

They are just not quite where they need to be at times.

Come on, the Defense gave up 10 points last night and 3 of them were after the shank, which left the Broncos in FG position. That loss last night is definitely not on the Jets defense (even taking the last 5 minutes into consideration).

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I didn't post that the defense was the culprit for last night's loss; I stated that the punter was a part of the field goal.

Here's the original post.

Originally Posted by Cardus

Punters can shank one once in a while, anywhere, of course, but you'd hope for that not to happen in Denver, where a punter can get more out of his kicks there than anywhere else. That shank was a major culprit in the first score.

Someone mentioned a few days before the game that he was disappointed in the Jets' safeties. Considering Leonhard's miss at the beginning of the final drive and Smith's culpability at the end of it, I'd have to say that the analysis seems legitimate.

They are just not quite where they need to be at times.

I disagreed with the opinion about the safeties. I couldn't care less about the punter. Like I said, regardless of those 2 plays not made by either safety, this loss was on the offense. If you give up only 10 points a game in this league you should win, period.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cardus

As far as the defense is concerned: it certainly is on the hook for a part of the loss, since it allowed Tebow to run over them at the end of the game.

What if Leonhard makes the tackle at or near the goal line at the beginning of the drive? I don't know that it would have been a safety, but certainly it would have been a small gain only.
And Smith at the end of the drive?

These aren't the only plays where the safeties haven't played well for the Jets this year. It is a clear deficiency that has mattered, particularly last night.

Ok, I'll play the what if game.
What if Sanchez doesn't throw a pick 6?
What if Sanchez doesn't over throw a wide open Keller in the endzone?
What if Nick Folk doesn't miss 2 FG's (I know that they weren't chip shots).

Granted they couldn't make a big play down the stretch, but they certainly did enough to win that game. Denver had field position on them all night (except for the final drive) and only scored a FG up until the final drive.

I'll admit that I don't think Eric Smith is great, but I think you picking on them in this case is unfair.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Ok, I'll play the what if game.
What if Sanchez doesn't throw a pick 6?
What if Sanchez doesn't over throw a wide open Keller in the endzone?
What if Nick Folk doesn't miss 2 FG's (I know that they weren't chip shots).

Granted they couldn't make a big play down the stretch, but they certainly did enough to win that game. Denver had field position on them all night (except for the final drive) and only scored a FG up until the final drive.

I'll admit that I don't think Eric Smith is great, but I think you picking on them in this case is unfair.

Although thankfully I didn't watch Thursday's game, I have seen enough of Eric Smith and Jim Leonhard to know that neither is athletic enough to thrive in the Jets' defensive system. Leonhard, coming off last year's broken leg, may have lost a step he couldn't afford to lose, and Smith, while probably an over-achiever, simply hasn't been getting the job done is pass coverage.

Bottom line, an above average defense, no matter how well they may have played the first 55 minutes of the game, DOES NOT let Tim Tebow march 95 yards down the field for the game winning TD. Simple as that, IMO.

The offense is quite another matter.