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Second, so your view is to not give tax breaks to corporations to do business in our state. I understand that. It doesn't make sense in your opinion to promote growth thru corporations and employers who spend $ in the state, create jobs, pay property tax, and payroll tax . In your world you would rather see the corporations many who have fled the state already leave instead of providing incentives to stay. You say they pay no taxes, correct? So the corporations do not pay property taxes on the buildings and land they own? They do not pay payroll taxes? The people they employee do not pay income taxes? They do not pay unemployment? I get your point. I just completely disagree with it. You do not believe that there is a problem so thus your point of view. I get it again I disagree. I am sure that our schools are going to hell now because of this plan. No child will get a good education, etc. Get real! I have 2 small children, who most likely will attend public schools and I am not worried about this. Why are you? You do not live here and it doesn't affect you. Actually if you just approve the governor's repair bill all of these things will be just as they are today, because of the simple cost cutting measures that the local municipalities would soon have. They could actually shop for health insurance instead of being required to buy it from the teachers union plan. This would save millions of dollars, but since the democrats do not want this to happen yes people will be laid off. That is the democrats choice, not the republicans. Unlike you I believe Gov Walker's repair and budget are necessary for the state to move ahead and not become California, etc. If you create an environment to do business in everything else will take care of itself. You also state that part of the legislature is compromise. Is there anything the Obama administration compromised on in 2008-2010? Elections have consequences. If you do not like what is going on vote the other way and encourage others to join you. Acting in childish manners as the democrats have since they do not have their way is not professional or responsible. If the majority of Wisconsinites believe what you think they do then there will be a change in 2014 and then they can choose to enact legislature that they believe in. |
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![]() Please quote where Walker campaigned on taking away the collective bargaining rights of public unions? A copy of an interview, a campaign platform?
He's a liar, as he said this was about the deficit, but during his telephone call with "fake Koch" he said it was indeed about union busting. He also lied to his Democratic Senators (see below) Quote:
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So far I've seen he's not a man of his word: he admitted during the Fake Koch call that yes, he told the Democratic Senators to return and he'd bargain with them, but that was a trick and a lie, they'd take the vote behind their backs. That makes Walker a liar in at least two ways. Quote:
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If the above works so well, how come Wisconsin is broke? Why do you think it's better to make private citizens, the average middle class person, yourself, pay more to support these corporate tax incentives? You are willing to pay more state taxes, and have less teachers in your kids schools, so corporations can get tax breaks? Quote:
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Have you seen how Reaganomics and "trickle-down" economics has historically worked in this country? This isn't a new idea, it's an old one, with a proven performance level documented. Quote:
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Wiphan: do you support Gov. Walker being able to sell or lease your utility companies to anyone he wants, for whatever price he wants, with no legislative oversight? Yes or no? Do you support Governor Walker taking away the power over Badgercare and medicaid in your state from the legislature, and making himself the only one in charge of determining qualifications and benefits? Yes or no? Both the above are in that 144-page bill you like so much.
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![]() Re: selling the power plants
Reality is that the Plants the state owns aren't worth much on the open market. They must be upgraded to new emission standards or converted to natural-gas from coal. The co-gen plant at the campuses and prisons need upgrading. Bottom-line - Sell this crap as quick as possible and as soon as possible to anyone who is willing to buy it. The amount of money the State will have to invest will never be returned. Also these State run facilities are usually very inefficiently run by the State. It should be in the private sector with oversight by the state agencies. If the Koch Brothers are stupid enough to buy them - sell it to them quickly. Walker maybe smarter than you think....
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Budgetary power is NOT a power the President, or the Governor, can simply grab because they want it. The power plants, whether they need to be sold or not, has nothing to do with a Governor attempting an illegal power grab. The issue isn't "should the power plants be sold or not". The issue is, "To whom does the Wisconsin constitution give power to buy/sell state property?" The answer is NOT "the governor". BTW: Newly-elected Governor Rick "My company stole billions from Medicare" Scott in Florida apparently sold two state-owned jets. Unfortunately, he didn't have the legal authority to do so. All hell is about to break loose over that down there. In between Legislators from both parties suing him for refusing the federal high-speed rail project the Legislature already approved. The Legislature maintains he didn't have the authority to capricously line-item veto a budget item already previously approved legally by the legislature and the previous governor. Governors cannot be dictators - no matter how much they want to be.
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![]() http://forums.abcnews.go.com/n/pfx/f...ics&tid=383140
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My point was valid - sell the power plants at all costs no matter who is in power. It is a good business decision and a waste of tax payer dollars not to. I guess if the people elect their representatives and the representatives vote to change the previous laws - then that's how a democracy works. If during the next election cycle if people don't like it - they can vote them out. btw can you site any instances where the President of the US has over stepped his power over other branches of government? I think we all know Obama wouldn't do that - but I am sure Bush did ![]()
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That power currently, legally, is the legislature. As all budget items are. Walker's bill tries to make it his own power, with no supervision. That's a really, really big deal, regarding the state Constitution and state law. It's not something that can be changed on the whim of one governor trying to acquire power. Nor should it be - you can't have a governor who just decides to sell of state assets such as land, buildings, etc at his pleasure. Those constitutional items controlling Wisconsin's government exist to protect the state. To prevent the changing of laws on a whim as you talk about. For example, today Walker said he wanted the Democratic senators arrested on contempt charges. Thank goodness the Dems are legally protected from the whim of a Governor trying to use the police for his political advantage. Some laws can indeed be changed on a whim, as the political parties change, but other basic freedoms and laws to protect everyone in the state equally cannot. Thankfully!
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![]() I don't know what "We" were talking about but "I" was talking about if the Power Plants should be sold or not.....
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This is straight from the bill: Currently, this state owns and operates numerous heating, cooling, and power plants that were constructed by the state to provide heating, cooling, and power to state facilities. The Department of Administration (DOA) determines the method of operation of these plants and may delegate this authority to any other state agency that has managing authority for a plant. This bill permits DOA to sell or contract for the operation of any such plant. The bill exempts such sales and contracts from the requirement for approval of the Public Service Commission (PSC) that may otherwise apply under current law. The bill provides that the net proceeds of any sale, after retirement of any outstanding state debt and any necessary repayment of federal financial assistance, is deposited in the budget stabilization fund. The bill also allows DOA, at any time, to petition the PSC to regulate as a public utility any person who purchases or contracts for the operation of any plant under the bill. Under current law, the PSC has regulatory authority over public utilities, including the authority to set rates for utility service. Let's be real does Walker really have the power to do anything he wants with the power plants? or are there other departments etc that are involved. Please read the bill |
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