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Old 06-29-2010, 09:35 PM
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i think he dueled with someone over his wife rachel....or maybe not. my main beef with the hero of new orleans was the defiance of the supreme court when he forced the native americans out of florida. but altho hamilton lost the duel, he was also a war hero. was one hell of a guy, self-made...oh, and would probably have made even bill clinton blush with his exploits.
Hamilton was a phoney war hero. He use to carry George Washington's coat around and was made a General for it. Burr saw more action but was too aggressive and cocky for Washington's taste and so was constantly passed over for promotion. Probably an underlying reason why he had no problem throwing what was left of his career away to duel with Hamilton.

Burr was also responsible for getting Thomas Jefferson the Presidency in 1800. Of course, he nearly stole it for himself in the process, but Hamilton was able to stop it from happening. Yet another score to be settled in the duel.
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:46 PM
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Hamilton was a phoney war hero. He use to carry George Washington's coat around and was made a General for it. Burr saw more action but was too aggressive and cocky for Washington's taste and so was constantly passed over for promotion. Probably an underlying reason why he had no problem throwing what was left of his career away to duel with Hamilton.

Burr was also responsible for getting Thomas Jefferson the Presidency in 1800. Of course, he nearly stole it for himself in the process, but Hamilton was able to stop it from happening. Yet another score to be settled in the duel.
no, that wasn't it. he kept pestering washington to get into action, and was finally allowed to do that. he took a redoubt along with a few others. i read his bio a few years ago(by ron chernow, excellent book), and remember that..i just can't remember which battle it was. washington wanted to keep hamilton by his side, since he was a valuable aide. hamilton was sharp as a tack.
and from what i read, hamilton was why jefferson, and not burr, was elected president. they kept having ties, and hamilton used some influence to sway the vote jeffersons way. he and jefferson hated each other, but hamilton felt jefferson was the better choice of the two. of course, hamilton had already pretty much killed off the federalist party because of his continuous feuding with john adams. hamilton knew how to do many things, make enemies being one of them! i also recommend a book called' hamilton, jefferson and burr'-it's here somewhere.
burr went broke, damn near got charged with a lot of crimes after going on the run following the famous duel. tried to form his own country at one point. years later, he married a wealthy widow and then spent all her money. she took him to court over it....
that's why it cracks me up when people talk about bitter party politics these days. they need to read their history! just think, george bush and john kerry facing off across a green, seconds and a doctor waiting nearby...


oh, and speaking of war 'heroes'...jefferson running for his life in virginia...lol yeah, stick to writing there, thom!
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Old 06-29-2010, 09:58 PM
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:32 PM
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1985 Strub between Precisionist and Greinton, with the semi retarded Gate Dancer try to give his connections a heart attack.

Awesome race.
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Old 06-30-2010, 07:43 AM
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1985 Strub between Precisionist and Greinton, with the semi retarded Gate Dancer try to give his connections a heart attack.

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Easy now.............not semi-retarded just misunderstood..................

I'll also throw in a vote for the 2004 Woodward..............Ghostzapper and Saint Liam. (awesome fractions)
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:25 AM
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'84 BCC Wild Again-Gate Dancer-Slew 'O Gold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqin6Xv5al0

'06 Azeri stakes Round Pond-Happy Ticket
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3r0w...eature=related

'62 Preakness Greek Money-Ridan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N23RCHGjyh8

'88 BC turf Great Communicator-Sunshine Forever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ZOSh1qG5M
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Old 06-30-2010, 01:34 PM
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Bet Twice/Lost Code/ Alysheba in the 1987 Haskell
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:36 PM
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Loved Haskin's list, very comprehensive. I enjoy this footage of the 2001 BCC because it's got the pre-race, race, post-race coverage of Tiznow and Sakhee with that segment about Cecilia Straub-Rubens that's just gonna make you blubber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adFhb...eature=related
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:24 AM
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1997 Go For Wand: Hidden Lake gets passed by Flat Fleet Feet and fights back to win by a neck. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7AfpZ0pto8
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:26 AM
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A hard charging Jazil in the Wood Memorial!

I doubt I'll ever witness live a stretch duel like Curlin and Rags to Riches in the Belmont Stakes.
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Old 06-30-2010, 09:07 AM
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2007 Tampa Bay Derby
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:07 AM
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Point Given vs Da Hoss....
Handicapping contest PG took the lead, opening quarter 25.3 no one really looked good early.... PG opens up through a half in 51.3 under no pressure at all from Hoss..... 1.14.2, but Hoss is cutting into the lead.... Then he catches me and copies my picks for the last day!!!!! NO AMAZING FINISH
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Default some top duels of the past decade

Listing the top stretch duels of all time would be beyond me, but citing a few incredible duels from the past few years would be readily do-able.

1) agree completely with the 2007 Rags To Riches - Curlin Belmont selection

2) agree as well with the 2004 Fountain of Youth match between Read The Footnotes - Second Of June

3) the 2005 Cornhusker stretch battle between Lord Of The Game - Silver Axe - Mambo Train - Habaneros

4) and with the 2007 Breeders' Cup Distaff (I really miss seeing the name of that race in the BC line-up) bout between Ginger Punch and Hystericalady

5) a tie between Medaglia D'Oro - Candy Ride in the 2003 Pacific Classic and Medaglia D'Oro - Pleasantly Perfect in the 2004 Dubai World Cup

Of course, similar great stretch contests have been waged in the past decade by runners such as Lava Man, Zenyatta, Perfect Drift, Evening Attire, and others, but I'm happy with my list as is.
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Old 06-30-2010, 02:17 AM
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Certainly in agreement with...

- Rags to Riches / Curlin in Belmont 2007
- Tiznow / Sakhee in BC Classic 2001 (one of the best I can recall)

I have to think Zenyatta's weaving through the BC Classic 2009 was a real gem in my opinion, doing what she did to pull that one off against a quality field.

Don't think it was mentioned yet, but the 1998 Classic with Awesome Again splitting Silver Charm and Coronado's Quest with Swain bolting...

Won't make many lists, but Desert Code threading through to win the inaugural BC Turf Sprint with the Mig aboard is also a personal favorite. I near lost my voice yelling "RICHIE" through the stretch run.
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