Obama's Oil Spill

[Danzig]

who to blame, from slate:

http://www.slate.com/id/2254979/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

who to blame, from slate:

http://www.slate.com/id/2254979/

Pretty much sums it up.

I have doubts the top-fill is going to work. I hope I'm wrong.

[Thunder Gulch]

So it's ok to accept the worsening disaster with no effort to minimize the impact on the shoreline because we all know BP is at fault??? Watching CNN there appears to be absolutely nothing being done with a sense of urgency. The Prez will show up on day 39 and tell us about what he is going to do for everyone and how he will hold BP accountable, but the oil is steadily getting worse in the marshes of Louisiana while no cleanup or preventative measures are being taken. Blame BP and fine them 20 billion dollars but in the meantime get down there and clean the damn thing up.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

who to blame, from slate:

http://www.slate.com/id/2254979/

Excellent..brought up parties I didn't even know were involved

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

So it's ok to accept the worsening disaster with no effort to minimize the impact on the shoreline because we all know BP is at fault??? Watching CNN there appears to be absolutely nothing being done with a sense of urgency. The Prez will show up on day 39 and tell us about what he is going to do for everyone and how he will hold BP accountable, but the oil is steadily getting worse in the marshes of Louisiana while no cleanup or preventative measures are being taken. Blame BP and fine them 20 billion dollars but in the meantime get down there and clean the damn thing up.

There is a middle ground here without a doubt. I'm just suspicious of the righties who are clammoring to attach anything that goes wrong anywhere to Obama. And no...Bush never faced that...only the things he WAS responsible for..like a freakin' war.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Ironic that they said the only sure way to stop this is to drill a relief well, but "that would take 30 days at least".... 35 days later and counting, only to come up with a halfassed measure that will stem the flow at best but not completely seal the well head errr....whatever is left of the wellhead...

It's a complete joke to see him flying in to Andrews from Cali after a fund-raising junket for Barbara Boxer, good news is that it looks like he can fit it into his schedule by Friday...

No fan of W by any stretch, but that fuc1<er would have demanded that relief well started the minute the flames were put out on the torched one.

Oh, the relief well is still at least 30 days away...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

There is a middle ground here without a doubt. I'm just suspicious of the righties who are clammoring to attach anything that goes wrong anywhere to Obama. And no...Bush never faced that...only the things he WAS responsible for..like a freakin' war.

the leak has nothing to do w/Obama, Bush or Mars! Cap it and let these bastards (BP and Lloyds of London) pay!!!!! Then lets Fannie and Freddie free! Like Willie! The whale not the former Pres!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Excellent..brought up parties I didn't even know were involved

i didn't realize who was involved either. as for using this as an example of small govt fans not wanting involvement from the feds; this imo is one case where absolutely they should have been involved. this isn't just an oil spill, but a catastrophic failure on many levels, with wide-ranging impact on a number of industries-and of course the impact on the environment and wildlife is just disgraceful. the lack of real reaction by our leaders is unreal, especially considering just how long this has been going on.
thing is, we already are paying through the nose for a variety of govt agencies, which have shown they are certainly not worth the investment. the part of the slate article that discussed the federal agencies was a real eye opener. it's a disgrace.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

There is a middle ground here without a doubt. I'm just suspicious of the righties who are clammoring to attach anything that goes wrong anywhere to Obama. And no...Bush never faced that...only the things he WAS responsible for..like a freakin' war.

news to me. it seems that the opposition is always quick to point fingers at the executive.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

news to me. it seems that the opposition is always quick to point fingers at the executive.

There is no way that liberals are as trigger happy as righties..no way.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

There is no way that liberals are as trigger happy as righties..no way.

i beg to differ. it's in each parties best interest to bash everything the other does-every move, issue, is dissected to determine how best to attack, and gain points. it's how the dems got both congress and white house, when only a few short years ago we were reading their obituary. then, in the last year, it was the republicans on life support.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

There is no way that liberals are as trigger happy as righties..no way.

agree not with guns but blame?

[GBBob]

And I love it when Republicans start being concerned with wildlife...that's a first. And no, your duel membership bumperstickers of NRA and Ducks Unlimited doesn't count.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob;651416[B

]And I love it when Republicans start being concerned with wildlife...[/b]that's a first. And no, your duel membership bumperstickers of NRA and Ducks Unlimited doesn't count.

C'mon you lived in the state. No one but WI and every other state who has wild life has that concern.

[Riot]

Oh, the relief well is still at least 30 days away...

No, the relief well (2 access points) was started, and is currently still being drilled and set up. I heard 2 months, however, until completion. I think they started it about a week after the disaster.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

the leak has nothing to do w/Obama, Bush or Mars! Cap it and let these bastards (BP and Lloyds of London) pay!!!!! Then lets Fannie and Freddie free! Like Willie! The whale not the former Pres!

Regarding the BP spill, and KY coal miners recently killed:

"Accidents can happen" - Rand Paul

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

C'mon you lived in the state. No one but WI and every other state who has wild life has that concern.

OK..I'll broaden that..since when have Republicans ever been concerned about the planet? Come on Dell...who has been pushing for more off shore drilling the last 10 years and who hasn't?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i didn't realize who was involved either. as for using this as an example of small govt fans not wanting involvement from the feds; this imo is one case where absolutely they should have been involved. this isn't just an oil spill, but a catastrophic failure on many levels, with wide-ranging impact on a number of industries-and of course the impact on the environment and wildlife is just disgraceful. the lack of real reaction by our leaders is unreal, especially considering just how long this has been going on.
thing is, we already are paying through the nose for a variety of govt agencies, which have shown they are certainly not worth the investment. the part of the slate article that discussed the federal agencies was a real eye opener. it's a disgrace.

I agree completely with, "why the heck is this still going on, why has nothing been done" - I'm furious over that.

But the trouble is, regarding "the government taking over": what is the government supposed to do after they "take over"? Serious question. They've been "supervising" BP - the government doesn't have the equipment, or the manpower, or the technology (not that BP specifically does, they are winging it at this depth). I suppose one could scream at BP louder? It's obvious BP could care less about the environmental damage in any sense other than PR and fines. I think the only thing that could have been done by the government was get on BP faster, more quickly, about their covering up the amount of spilled oil; bring in independent scientists sooner as government agents? I thought that happened after two weeks, I could be wrong.

I heard that there are oil company tankers (sitting full of oil) that Obama could command to the area to take up spilled oil from the surface (they can separate out the water/oil), but what do they do with the thousands of gallons of oil already on board (they would have to empty out somewhere, somehow, first), and can the President commandeer private property? (I assume he could in a national disaster, don't know)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

OK..I'll broaden that..since when have Republicans ever been concerned about the planet? Come on Dell...who has been pushing for more off shore drilling the last 10 years and who hasn't?

this is what we are all about. The Republicans are all about America first and thats why I'm a Rep (actually a librterian but the opposite would make me a communist
) and so we shall vote and see how things go! Like forcing you to weed Arington's infield cause you live in the Heights and they forget u own and pay for horses etc etc etc etc etc

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

this is what we are all about. The Republicans are all about America first and thats why I'm a Rep (actually a librterian but the opposite would make me a communoisit
) and so we shall vote and see how things go! Like forcing you to weed Arington's infield cause you live in the Heights and they forget u own and pay for horses etc etc etc etc etc

The GOP is not all about "America first", it is all about "private corporations and business and commerce and no government" first. Social programs, people, the environment - have never been the GOP strong point.