Obama's Oil Spill

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

who to blame, from slate:

http://www.slate.com/id/2254979/

Excellent..brought up parties I didn't even know were involved

[Rudeboyelvis]

Ironic that they said the only sure way to stop this is to drill a relief well, but "that would take 30 days at least".... 35 days later and counting, only to come up with a halfassed measure that will stem the flow at best but not completely seal the well head errr....whatever is left of the wellhead...

It's a complete joke to see him flying in to Andrews from Cali after a fund-raising junket for Barbara Boxer, good news is that it looks like he can fit it into his schedule by Friday...

No fan of W by any stretch, but that fuc1<er would have demanded that relief well started the minute the flames were put out on the torched one.

Oh, the relief well is still at least 30 days away...

[Riot]

Oh, the relief well is still at least 30 days away...

No, the relief well (2 access points) was started, and is currently still being drilled and set up. I heard 2 months, however, until completion. I think they started it about a week after the disaster.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, the relief well (2 access points) was started, and is currently still being drilled and set up. I heard 2 months, however, until completion. I think they started it about a week after the disaster.

They initially said 30 days, but assured them it would never be necessary because they had all the proper safety/environmental bases covered ...all the while distracing them (the Interior Dept) as the were too busy being wined and dined and watching porn at work to give a good rats asz

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05...wake-of-spill/

Change we can believe in

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

They initially said 30 days, but assured them it would never be necessary because they had all the proper safety/environmental bases covered ...all the while distracing them (the Interior Dept) as the were too busy being wined and dined and watching porn at work to give a good rats asz

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05...wake-of-spill/

Change we can believe in

It's infuriating, how much everyone was allowed to get away with regarding safety, etc (coal industry - ditto)

But that "change we can believe in" was supposed to have already shook those "TX oilmen in the WH, have a secret meeting with Cheney, boys" years up. We'll see.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's infuriating, how much everyone was allowed to get away with regarding safety, etc (coal industry - ditto)

But that "change we can believe in" was supposed to have already shook those "TX oilmen in the WH, have a secret meeting with Cheney, boys" years up. We'll see.

Last I remembered, Bush (after agreeably being shaken while reading to schoolchildren) made it a point to put aside fund-raising and all of his other "responsibilities" to get to Ground Zero in a manner that stressed the importance of rallying the country around a disaster of immeasurable proportions.

You're guy, not so much

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Last I remembered, Bush (after agreeably being shaken while reading to schoolchildren) made it a point to put aside fund-raising and all of his other "responsibilities" to get to Ground Zero in a manner that stressed the importance of rallying the country around a disaster of immeasurable proportions.

You're guy, not so much

Dan..you are comparing 9/11 to BP's explosion?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Last I remembered, Bush (after agreeably being shaken while reading to schoolchildren) made it a point to put aside fund-raising and all of his other "responsibilities" to get to Ground Zero in a manner that stressed the importance of rallying the country around a disaster of immeasurable proportions.

You're guy, not so much

Obama didn't say, "You're doing a heck of a job, BP"

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Excellent..brought up parties I didn't even know were involved

i didn't realize who was involved either. as for using this as an example of small govt fans not wanting involvement from the feds; this imo is one case where absolutely they should have been involved. this isn't just an oil spill, but a catastrophic failure on many levels, with wide-ranging impact on a number of industries-and of course the impact on the environment and wildlife is just disgraceful. the lack of real reaction by our leaders is unreal, especially considering just how long this has been going on.
thing is, we already are paying through the nose for a variety of govt agencies, which have shown they are certainly not worth the investment. the part of the slate article that discussed the federal agencies was a real eye opener. it's a disgrace.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i didn't realize who was involved either. as for using this as an example of small govt fans not wanting involvement from the feds; this imo is one case where absolutely they should have been involved. this isn't just an oil spill, but a catastrophic failure on many levels, with wide-ranging impact on a number of industries-and of course the impact on the environment and wildlife is just disgraceful. the lack of real reaction by our leaders is unreal, especially considering just how long this has been going on.
thing is, we already are paying through the nose for a variety of govt agencies, which have shown they are certainly not worth the investment. the part of the slate article that discussed the federal agencies was a real eye opener. it's a disgrace.

I agree completely with, "why the heck is this still going on, why has nothing been done" - I'm furious over that.

But the trouble is, regarding "the government taking over": what is the government supposed to do after they "take over"? Serious question. They've been "supervising" BP - the government doesn't have the equipment, or the manpower, or the technology (not that BP specifically does, they are winging it at this depth). I suppose one could scream at BP louder? It's obvious BP could care less about the environmental damage in any sense other than PR and fines. I think the only thing that could have been done by the government was get on BP faster, more quickly, about their covering up the amount of spilled oil; bring in independent scientists sooner as government agents? I thought that happened after two weeks, I could be wrong.

I heard that there are oil company tankers (sitting full of oil) that Obama could command to the area to take up spilled oil from the surface (they can separate out the water/oil), but what do they do with the thousands of gallons of oil already on board (they would have to empty out somewhere, somehow, first), and can the President commandeer private property? (I assume he could in a national disaster, don't know)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree completely with, "why the heck is this still going on, why has nothing been done" - I'm furious over that.

But the trouble is, regarding "the government taking over": what is the government supposed to do after they "take over"? Serious question. They've been "supervising" BP - the government doesn't have the equipment, or the manpower, or the technology (not that BP specifically does, they are winging it at this depth). I suppose one could scream at BP louder? It's obvious BP could care less about the environmental damage in any sense other than PR and fines. I think the only thing that could have been done by the government was get on BP faster, more quickly, about their covering up the amount of spilled oil; bring in independent scientists sooner as government agents? I thought that happened after two weeks, I could be wrong.

I heard that there are oil company tankers (sitting full of oil) that Obama could command to the area to take up spilled oil from the surface (they can separate out the water/oil), but what do they do with the thousands of gallons of oil already on board (they would have to empty out somewhere, somehow, first), and can the President commandeer private property? (I assume he could in a national disaster, don't know)

i find it hard to believe that the Navy doesnt have any technology that would seriously help plugging this leak. but thats just me.

[dellinger63]

Looks like it may have been plugged! At least from the video feed.

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Looks like it may have been plugged! At least from the video feed.

I guess Obama scared them in getting it done.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Looks like it may have been plugged! At least from the video feed.

I hope so but lets just hope Prez doesn't go in tomorrow (a month late) and declare mission accomplished. The cleanup- or failure to execute a plan to preemptively address it is my biggest problem with this disaster. It's too late for a lot of areas now, and by some accounts damage could have been mitigated to a degree. No excuse for that from anyone and if BP wasn't getting the job done, the government should have had the courage to step in. Complete failures all the way around.