American Pharoah...

[Aly-Sheba]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You have to base your analysis on what you saw...not what you wish you saw. What we saw was a horse getting a very good trip, and being ridden very hard, that proved best. Hey, there's no shame in that...but he ran his race, handled the track, etc. He's a very good horse. He's not a super horse...at least not yet.

He's also a horse that missed the biggest 2YO race of the year, in his back yard, and was then off for five months. He has returned to run three races of 3 7/16 miles in distance in seven weeks time...and needs to run another 2 11/16 miles worth of races over the next five weeks. That's 5 races and over 6 miles in distance in just 12 weeks. I surely wish the connections the best of luck, and certainly hope they win in two weeks, but I'm also a betting man....and there is NO way I would bet on American Pharoah winning the Triple Crown at any kind of short price.

I'm not comparing AP to Seattle Slew at this point and its been 28 years, but SS had almost 5 months off before his first race as 3yr old. and ran 4 times in less then 4 weeks while winning the Derby.

[Aly-Sheba]

Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba

I'm not comparing AP to Seattle Slew at this point and its been 28 years, but SS had almost 5 months off before his first race as 3yr old. and ran 4 times in less then 4 weeks while winning the Derby.

Sorry 38 years, time flies!!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba

I'm not comparing AP to Seattle Slew at this point and its been 28 years, but SS had almost 5 months off before his first race as 3yr old. and ran 4 times in less then 4 weeks while winning the Derby.

It's uncanny, but from March onwards in their respective 3yo years, American Pharoah's career closely parallels that of War Emblem.

Two facile wins leading up to the Derby; slow-paced merry-go-round Derby; Victor Espinoza aboard...

The only difference is War Emblem ran quite a bit faster.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

It's uncanny, but from March onwards in their respective 3yo years, American Pharoah's career closely parallels that of War Emblem.

Two facile wins leading up to the Derby; slow-paced merry-go-round Derby; Victor Espinoza aboard...

The only difference is War Emblem ran quite a bit faster.

And paid $43.00 to win.

[SundayStar]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

It's uncanny, but from March onwards in their respective 3yo years, American Pharoah's career closely parallels that of War Emblem.

Two facile wins leading up to the Derby; slow-paced merry-go-round Derby; Victor Espinoza aboard...

The only difference is War Emblem ran quite a bit faster.

War Emblem never won a race where he didn't go wire to wire. American Pharaoh has won stalking the pace.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by SundayStar

War Emblem never won a race where he didn't go wire to wire. American Pharaoh has won stalking the pace.

Not true. War Emblem won an allowance at 2 from mid-pack. He also did not have the lead for the first 3/4s of the Preakness, albeit under stout restraint by Espinoza.

[SundayStar]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Not true. War Emblem won an allowance at 2 from mid-pack. He also did not have the lead for the first 3/4s of the Preakness, albeit under stout restraint by Espinoza.

yeah, in the preakness he was all of a head off the lead. the point is, War Emblem was a need the lead type of horse. American Pharaoh has shown he can sit off the lead by at least a length or two as well as win on the lead. he's more versatile and adaptable.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by SundayStar

yeah, in the preakness he was all of a head off the lead. the point is, War Emblem was a need the lead type of horse. American Pharaoh has shown he can sit off the lead by at least a length or two as well as win on the lead. he's more versatile and adaptable.

Well, actually War Emblem was at least a length or more off the lead during the 1st quarter mile of the Preakness.

But thanks for clarifying the goalposts...and ignoring the 2yo allowance race.