Dutrow

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

when does he get his day in court.?

[clambeau]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

when does he get his day in court.?

Maybe having trouble finding any "peers" for the jury..

[parsixfarms]

Oral argument before the appellate court in Albany was held today. A decision on his challenge to the NYSRWB's suspension should come down in 4-8 weeks, if the usual time parameters hold in this case.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Decision upheld by NY court... Buh bye, Dick -

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...nse-revocation

[parsixfarms]

Here's a link to the court's opinion: http://decisions.courts.state.ny.us/...012/514213.pdf.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Decision upheld by NY court... Buh bye, Dick -

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...nse-revocation

Doesn't he have another appeal left which means he'll be around for another year.

[10 pnt move up]

This has years to go, there is some kinda of kangaroo court he can appeal to.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jms62

Doesn't he have another appeal left which means he'll be around for another year.

But will other states revoke/not issue him a license going forward?

[Calzone Lord]

Dutrow is probably the closest thing New York has seen to a Jeff Mullins over the last 15 years.

Dutrow debuted only 25 horses last year -- and 18 so far this year -- a lot of them debuted in maiden claiming races. He's won a Breeders Cup Classic and a Kentucky Derby and trained a Horse of the Year.

Dutrow doesn't get shunned with bigger owners as much as Mullins though.

As far as the 2012 stats go:

Dutrow: 77-for-265 (29% wins) $1,96 ROI

Mullins: 25-for-107 (23% wins) $2.99 ROI

Larry Jones: 31-for-109 (28% wins) $2.72 ROI

That trio has been magical over the last 15 years. Of the three, Mullins has been by far the most shunned by owners.

[ShadowRoll]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

This has years to go, there is some kinda of kangaroo court he can appeal to.

The "kangaroo court" is the New York Court of Appeals, the highest court in the state. I think they have discretionary review, which means that they can decide to not hear the case and that's the end of the line (unless his attorneys can come up with some basis to file an appeal in federal court). Good thing he's on a roll right now because the legal fees have got to be murder.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

But will other states revoke/not issue him a license going forward?

He may run into issues with renewals based on this. FL will probably be the first state he applies for 2013 because they have a July-June license unlike most states which do it on a yearly basis.

While I have been on record as believing that Dutrow's cavilier attitude towards the rules and authorities in general make the actions taken against him justifiable to a degree, I think the vindictivness of many in the game towards him and the glee that accompanied this news by many in the media says a lot more about where we are headed than any farcical Congressional hearings may.

The thing to remember is that Dutrow's case is unique simply because of the volume and regularity of his violations and there isnt going to be any trend towards more sentences like this because guys have gotten a lot more careful and cleaned up how they do business. Of course this is a positive but as most violations are minor in the grand scheme what are we really accomplishing here?

[foregos nuts]

They will appeal to a higher court,string it out for another couple of years,then admit his horses were eating poppyseed bagels and just like his cheating mentor Bobby Frankel will probably get the fastest horse in the world named after him

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

The "kangaroo court" is the New York Court of Appeals, the highest court in the state. I think they have discretionary review, which means that they can decide to not hear the case and that's the end of the line (unless his attorneys can come up with some basis to file an appeal in federal court). Good thing he's on a roll right now because the legal fees have got to be murder.

I'm not sure how this plays out time-wise. Usually, his attorney would have to file a motion with the court for permission for leave to appeal. That request would typically be denied, unless the Court of Appeals believed there was an important legal issue involved.

If I recall correctly, the two exceptions when a right to appeal to the Court of Appeals exists is when two judges at the appellate level dissent (not the case here), or where a federal Consitutional question is involved, as the highest state court is the next stop on the way to US Supreme Court. Needless to say, if that is the case, then the appeal process could become far longer. I have thought for some time that Dutrow's attorney knew it was likely that he was going to lose, but by invoking the Due Process argument involving Sabini, he may have found a creative way to drag this out another 18-24 months.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Dutrow is probably the closest thing New York has seen to a Jeff Mullins over the last 15 years.

Dutrow debuted only 25 horses last year -- and 18 so far this year -- a lot of them debuted in maiden claiming races. He's won a Breeders Cup Classic and a Kentucky Derby and trained a Horse of the Year.

Dutrow doesn't get shunned with bigger owners as much as Mullins though.

As far as the 2012 stats go:

Dutrow: 77-for-265 (29% wins) $1,96 ROI

Mullins: 25-for-107 (23% wins) $2.99 ROI

Larry Jones: 31-for-109 (28% wins) $2.72 ROI

That trio has been magical over the last 15 years. Of the three, Mullins has been by far the most shunned by owners.

It has to be the mulletude.