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02-08-2007, 12:47 AM
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JAZIL....Most Overrated horse in the history of horse racing....
I dont have any pp's in front of me so this is all off the top of my head....
here we go...Jazil beat a horrible group of horses to win the belmont, there might have been 2 other good horses in that whole field and they were bluegrass cat and high finance, where is bgc now, and for high finance there is a excuse everytime he runs for why he losses. Before the belmont he closed in the wood, on a very sloppy track, another horrible field, where is bob and john now, and i dont think anyone on here will argue that keyed entry is nothing more then a good sprinter, maybe miler. Back to the belmont now, on top of that being a bad field the race also fell apart, if i remember correctly bob and john set the pace in that race, and i also think the final time was very slow. Onto the current, the connections of Jazil say he will use a Aqueduct allowance as a prep for a stakes race, either the donn or the gulfstream park handicap, they said many time that they would have ran jazil and invasor in the donn, and they said the comeback was what they wanted. So according to the connections everything was going perfectly, so why is he running in another allowance race, a young grade 1 winner, who had this great prep at aqueduct, why not the donn or the gulfstream park handicap, i will tell you why, because the connections know this horse is nothing more then a decent closer who needs a perfect setup to win. I will also say this horse never wins a grade 1 or 2 again in his career, they might find a grade 3 with a bad field for him that he could possibly take down, but thats it. Im going out there on this post im sure alot of you guys are going to say im crazy and not agree with me, but this is my opinion of the horse, and i just thought i'd share it with everyone. Also i dont know if i mentioned this but i think he has a 0 percent chance to win tommorw. 
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02-08-2007, 12:53 AM
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02-08-2007, 01:18 AM
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well the connections stated many times aqueduct, then stakes, not second at 1-5 at aqueduct and now another allowance because we know we cant win a stakes. I mean really if you really think about this race makes no since, he shouldn't need another race, and he has raced over this track already.
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02-08-2007, 02:20 AM
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A lot of bluster above to say little. Jazil is an especially neat horse that you cleary have some irrational distate for.. If he never wins any kind of race ever again, he is a classic winner and will likely be a sire of note with his exceptional pedigree. He's come back from the same injury, a painful one at that, which ended Smarty Jones' career, and it's terrific to have him out running at 4.  About as nicely put together a horse as you'll see.. And has a great temperment as well..
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02-08-2007, 03:08 AM
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The hell are you doing up at 3:20 SLB..
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02-08-2007, 03:13 AM
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Jazil is a deep deep closer type. His type dont win every time they set foot on track. One thing is for certain is that this horse is not a plodder who pass by tired rivals. Jazil has a mean turn of foot that is uncommonly seen day to day. I kind of like that he is getting one more race under him to prep for graded company. This horse will love going long in his next.
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02-08-2007, 03:21 AM
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02-08-2007, 06:15 AM
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Also, it's not like Jazil is SO highly esteemed or SO much talked about to justify a post saying he is terribly over-rated. Jazil ran a creditable 4th in the Derby and won a Belmont vs the Derby 2nd place finisher. Nobody is calling him a monster or one for the ages. But I'm very glad to see him back for a 4-yr-old campaign. --Dunbar
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02-08-2007, 06:27 AM
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that's the thing-i haven't really seen anyone hyping the horse-or even rating him at all. he hasn't been around. there is interest in him, which is natural for a classic winner, and i'm also happy to see him back at four. he could turn out to be anything. but i'd say the majority of talk since last spring was about bernardini, invasor and lava man-with maybe a blurb or two about jazil once in a while.
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02-08-2007, 06:33 AM
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I haven't really heard anyone overhyping this horse...but he has won a classic (regardless of what you might think of the field) he is well bred (out of a stakes winning mare) he has a good overall record of 9 2-4-0 with one of his unplaced efforts being his 4th in the derby...and most importantly HE IS STILL IN TRAINING AT 4....what's not to like?
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Last edited by paisjpq : 02-08-2007 at 10:19 AM.
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02-08-2007, 06:45 AM
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My buddy Chris loved him after that Wood effort...at the time, thought he was no better than a deep closer. Finished right where I thought he would in the Derby...did surprise me with his running style in the Belmont. Too bad he got hurt then...would have improved a lot if he continued to run last year. His return race was just find and the winner there (Take the Bluff) won back yesterday. If he gets the right set today, should have a big chance versus these. Give him a lot of credit, he's back...more than I can say for the three year old champ of last year!
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02-08-2007, 07:05 AM
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02-08-2007, 07:06 AM
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The 2nd dam, Blush With Pride by Blushing Groom, was a KY Oaks winner, as well as winning 3 other grades and placing in three other Gr. I's... Third dam is Best in Show (Traffic Judge), a Comely winner like her grandaughter, and 1982 Broodmare of the Year.. Not only is Jazil more than useful or nice, he's important as he's carrying what looks to be an excellent sire's pedigree that can contribute to the stamina side in the shed. 
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02-08-2007, 07:19 AM
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This thread is just another example of a baby crying in its crib.
If you ignore them they eventually stop. Frankly, I'm far more interested in the plight of Johannesburg Star.
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02-08-2007, 07:28 AM
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Yeah just knock the horse for running and not offer any insight as to who's going to beat him today. In the age where a horse can and will be retired for a random shart, it's nice to see a horse like Jazil on the track.
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02-08-2007, 07:34 AM
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I mentioned in another thread that I do not like Jazil, but to say he is the most over rated horse out there is a bit much. However I do believe he will have trouble winning major races down the line just because of the setup he needs. Agree with BTW though. Johannesburg Star. Thats a story
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02-08-2007, 08:36 AM
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 You rule Steve
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02-08-2007, 08:43 AM
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I was just thinking the same thing. How could a horse that many thought was a slow plodder before the Triple Crown series of 2006 be overrated? As Steve mentioned, his breeding is impeccable, and he's bred to run all day.
I can think of a few overrated horses out there; Jazil's not one of them.
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02-08-2007, 08:45 AM
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Incidentally, true to his Avatar, kasept is the Batman of Jazil! When an injustice is committed, Batman will be there!
Naturally you didn't know I was wearing my special Super B long thermal underwear.
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