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Old 01-11-2007, 12:49 PM
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Default Ramon Dominguez

Snicker - snicker.

Did anyone catch the ride by the most overrated rider in history in Aqueduct's third race today? He was riding a 3-5 closer in a five horse field. He was following the horse moving to the lead two or so wide towards the stretch and instead of angling around, as any sane person would have done, he did the cutesy duck inside and split move, FOR NO LOGICAL REASON OTHER THAN TO APPEAR CUTE, and got totally packaged and didn't even run second!

I am sorry I wasn't at Aqueduct today as even the few fans must have gone berserk. Before commenting, please watch this race, as it is incredible.

Oh, yeah, I am alive with the 10-1 winner in the Pick-3, so absolutely no sour grapes whatsoever. I find this guy to be one of the greatest mirages in history. A decent rider, getting incredible mounts, against a VERY weak colony.
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:51 PM
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His ride on Rob Roy brought tears to my eyes in the Breeders Cup. Mirage is too nice.
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:54 PM
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It was so remarkable as to be jaw-dropping... Jaw-droppingly, head-shakingly, speechless-inducing remarkable. In a five horse field yet...
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:54 PM
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His ride on Rob Roy brought tears to my eyes in the Breeders Cup. Mirage is too nice.

You have to watch this race. Honestly.....describing it can't do it justice. It should lead off Sportscenter.
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:57 PM
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I'll watch inside racing at 5:30 tonight. Otherwise I won't be able to catch it.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:02 PM
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At least this made you stop picking on Chantal Sutherland for a little while.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:07 PM
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Snicker - snicker.

Did anyone catch the ride by the most overrated rider in history in Aqueduct's third race today? He was riding a 3-5 closer in a five horse field. He was following the horse moving to the lead two or so wide towards the stretch and instead of angling around, as any sane person would have done, he did the cutesy duck inside and split move, FOR NO LOGICAL REASON OTHER THAN TO APPEAR CUTE, and got totally packaged and didn't even run second!

I am sorry I wasn't at Aqueduct today as even the few fans must have gone berserk. Before commenting, please watch this race, as it is incredible.

Oh, yeah, I am alive with the 10-1 winner in the Pick-3, so absolutely no sour grapes whatsoever. I find this guy to be one of the greatest mirages in history. A decent rider, getting incredible mounts, against a VERY weak colony.
He does this at least once a card, if not more often. Watch how many of his mounts practically stall coming out of the final turn into the stretch when he tries to take them inside to holes that don't exist. It's like he tries to anticipate the others' moves before they make them. I'd hate to think that the rail bias is so severe that he thinks it's the only way he can win.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:19 PM
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Embarrassing...

Here's the replay... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJEraZ-p4Pw
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:21 PM
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I saw the race and actually laughed. I needed the 2 to hold on but I was so mesmerized by RD's horse ramming his nose up my horse's rear 12 or 15 times that I didn't even see the 1 go by.

All I can say is I've watched dozens of horse tip out 3 wide off that same trip at the top of the stretch over the past few weeks and they almost invariably lose big ground by the time they straighten out. Has to be what, if anything, he was thinking.

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Old 01-11-2007, 01:32 PM
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I saw the race and actually laughed. I needed the 2 to hold on but I was so mesmerized by RD's horse ramming his nose up my horse's rear 12 or 15 times that I didn't even see the 1 go by.

All I can say is I've watched dozens of horse tip out 3 wide off that same trip at the top of the stretch over the past few weeks and they almost invariably lose big ground by the time they straighten out. Has to be what, if anything, he was thinking.
This is my point. We don't know what RD was thinking or wanting to accomplish. Who is to say that what he choose wasnt the best way to win the race. Just because a jock doesnt do what you or me or us think he/she should do doesnt mean it was a bad ride, a wrong deicison or what. It is purely speculation.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:51 PM
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Default I wonder what Contessa thinks......

Does this mean that Tony Soprano voice whacks Ramon in the parking lot of the A this afternoon.

Andy.....You have been smacking this guy around for awhile. Today you had more than cause....it's pretty simple to connect the dots on this jock. He has dominated at Delaware for awhile now running for alot of the same trainers who have the best horses. Now at a level beyond his skills the poor choices are more obvious but he still gets the best horses from guys he has won alot of money for. He'll either improve his skills or he'll get bounced out of New York like so many other good jocks who failed to be great.

So Steve, you gonna ask Contessa to crtique this ride the next time he's on the show. JJ would swallow his tongue watching this one.

But what do I know I fix bodies for a living......DrD
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:58 PM
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Does this mean that Tony Soprano voice whacks Ramon in the parking lot of the A this afternoon.

Andy.....You have been smacking this guy around for awhile. Today you had more than cause....it's pretty simple to connect the dots on this jock. He has dominated at Delaware for awhile now running for alot of the same trainers who have the best horses. Now at a level beyond his skills the poor choices are more obvious but he still gets the best horses from guys he has won alot of money for. He'll either improve his skills or he'll get bounced out of New York like so many other good jocks who failed to be great.

So Steve, you gonna ask Contessa to crtique this ride the next time he's on the show. JJ would swallow his tongue watching this one.

But what do I know I fix bodies for a living......DrD
yet through it all he's got a 5 win advantage as leading rider.

Do you think he's getting better mounts than Coa? I'm not sure but I doubt it.
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:01 PM
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Eh, it wasn't a great ride, obviously, but I can think of reasons why he did it. At least he's got guts.
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:11 PM
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Just saw the replay. Really looks like he wasn't too interested in winning. You're already a few paths off the rail entering the stretch, why cut to the inside......unless you really don't want to win?
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:27 PM
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I think someone made a valid point earlier on how staying wide lately has caused a few horses to hang. It was poor judgment, but like I said, not many guys would actually think about trying to poke their head in the hole or two he was trying there.
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:30 PM
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LOL yes ramons garbage......... hes overrated?well hes only the leader at the current stand and trumping every1 in earnings far and away so far. blackthroated seems all you like to do is bash jocks.
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:33 PM
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Andy, Steve...

Are you going to talk about it on ATRAB?
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:40 PM
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I may very well mention it.. Comes on the heels of the ride on SNS that was 'anxious' and I criticized Monday.. Like I said earlier, I like Dominguez a great deal, but he makes you wonder where his head is on a frequent basis.

And JC.. Considering the horses he gets on a daily basis, Dominguez (and/or Coa too) better be leading Alan Garcia, Channing Hill, Chantal Sutherland, Mike Smith, Eddie Martin, CC Lopez, etc.. No?
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:50 PM
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I did not see the race either (at work), but I must say that I'm a big fan of Ramon's. I know he takes a bashing on here pretty often & maybe I'm in the minority, but I think he's extremely talented. That said, he (like other jocks) makes his share of bonehead moves from time to time. It sounds like this was one of them. I personally don't believe that he does this any more often than any other jock. You take the good with the bad. Yes, his mount on Rob Roy on BC Day was bad...but what about his ROI & rides on his other mounts on BC Day, Friendly Island & Better Talk Now? What about the Derby on Bluegrass Cat? What about his win on Better Talk Now in the BC Turf when he flat out beat Johnny V and Kitten's Joy to the spot?

I remember when Prado was down here in Maryland, and he used to get bashed exactly the same way. He could do 10 things right, and one thing wrong, and he'd inevitably hear about the one thing wrong. We all know how that one turned out. I think Ramon is here to stay & I think everyone out there has probably already figured out that you bet against him at your own risk...

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Old 01-11-2007, 03:05 PM
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I remember when Prado was down here in Maryland, and he used to get bashed exactly the same way. He could do 10 things right, and one thing wrong, and he'd inevitably here about the one thing wrong. We all know how that one turned out. I think Ramon is here to stay & I think everyone out there has probably already figured out that you bet against him at your own risk...
ahhhhhh Prado in Maryland, now those were the days

I personally have not seen the race, but as much as people bash him or praise him he's gonna end up being a top 3 rider at the 'Duct (if not the country) this meet. For those people who don't like him then look elsewhere for value b/c he gets hammered nearly every race. Like evrything else in life you gotta take the good with the bad

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