EZ Warrior???

[eajinabi]

Anyone hear the latest of the Baffert's Derby Horse? This horse looked good winning at Hollywood Park in the Summer 2006 beating out a late charging GREAT HUNTER. He is my early pick to win next years derby. All I know is that he is owned by Zayat Stables.

If you have any info, let me know.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

BAFFERT'S ASSISTANT ANSWERED this the other day.Said he is doing great,and was entered in some races that didn't fill.You should see him race soon.Nice horse...Possible Pedigree problems though(as far as the Derby goes.)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

BAFFERT'S ASSISTANT ANSWERED this the other day.Said he is doing great,and was entered in some races that didn't fill.You should see him race soon.Nice horse...Possible Pedigree problems though(as far as the Derby goes.)

You think he will have distance problems. He has distance on his dam side with Deputy Minister and Mr Prospector being his great grandfather.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You think he will have distance problems. He has distance on his dam side with Deputy Minister and Mr Prospector being his great grandfather.

I said POSSIBLEPedigree problems.As far as I am concerned ,anything with Carson City involved has possible distance limitations,but that's just me.I love the horse's races.Ran like a real smart horse.Like he was older than 2.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I said POSSIBLEPedigree problems.As far as I am concerned ,anything with Carson City involved has possible distance limitations,but that's just me.I love the horse's races.Ran like a real smart horse.Like he was older than 2.

Gotcha and I agree with Carson City. And you are also right about the horse looking smart. I get the same impression.

[pba1817]

I like looking for stellar 2yo's way ahead of time as Derby horses to watch.... Then following their odds through those crooked assed future book pools and their 3yo prep season... Finally, when only a slight few of them actually reach the KY Derby starting gate(if any at all), the best part is when their going off odds are higher than any odds you could get in the future book pools....

Example-
A friend of mine had $20 on Giacomo in the Derby future pool #1 at 25-1. We are sitting in the Orleans on Derby day and he says, "Giacomo has no chance to win here, at least it was only a $20 spot I wasted". As you all know he was 50-1 in the real pool and my friend failed to lay any more action on him.

I love the horses...

[Rupert Pupkin]

I agree with Scuds. EZ Warrior looks like a very good horse but I highly doubt he will be able to go 1 1/4 miles. I don't know if he will even get 1 1/8 miles. He is out of a Carson City mare named Carson Jen. I believe she was strictly a sprinter.

[eajinabi]

Wait a minute EZ Warrior is Sired by Exploit to which I recall is from Storm Cat. True he is by a Carson City Mare but distance is not influnced by the dam. If it was I would not pay 1.2 million for a sprinter-miler.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Wait a minute EZ Warrior is Sired by Exploit to which I recall is from Storm Cat. True he is by a Carson City Mare but distance is not influnced by the dam. If it was I would not pay 1.2 million for a sprinter-miler.

most people feel you get speed on top and stamina on the bottom, which means distance is influenced by the dam.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

most people feel you get speed on top and stamina on the bottom, which means distance is influenced by the dam.

I was told that Sire determines Distance and Surface whereas Dam determines class. But what the hell do I know??

Eaj,

You're correct on the old theory that the stallion influenced distance and the dam-side imparted the class, but in recent times, the Classic's have been won by colts who were sired by sprinters/milers but were out of dam's who female family had a lot of back stamina.

The ways of the world seem to be changing... it only makes sense though. Most of the commercial sire lines are very speed oriented and the stamina to get 10f+ will have to come from somewhere else.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

EAJ,if the horse is really,really good(but distance limited,)I think he can get the 10f(the 1st time he is asked to do it.)After that though,the horse can sour badly.Like the top filly in '88 that won the Derby(Winning Colors.)She was a really good 3 year old filly out here at Anita.She won the Anita Derby,and then was getting pretty late in the Kentucky Derby.She made it,but was toast for the rest of that Spring and Summer.She didn't really come back to form at all until the B.C. Distaff(a very close 2nd.)

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

EAJ,if the horse is really,really good(but distance limited,)I think he can get the 10f(the 1st time he is asked to do it.)After that though,the horse can sour badly.Like the top filly in '88 that won the Derby(Winning Colors.)She was a really good 3 year old filly out here at Anita.She won the Anita Derby,and then was getting pretty late in the Kentucky Derby.She made it,but was toast for the rest of that Spring and Summer.She didn't really come back to form at all until the B.C. Distaff(a very close 2nd.)

To perhaps the best stretch performance visually of my lifetime.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Winning Colors actually ran an outstanding 3rd to Risen Star in the Preakness after her Derby win. She was involved in a bitter pace battle, through fast fractions, with a champion named Forty Niner.

Winning Colors ended up 3rd, beaten just 2.5 lengths. Forty Niner ended up 7th beaten about 15 lengths. Forty Niner would win an ALW race, the Haskell, the Travers, lose a photo to Alysheba in the Woodward, and win the NYRA Mile in his next five starts...after the Preakness duel.

I know Blackthroatedwind has warned me about going into detail on these old races....but, in my opinion Winning Colors ran a better race in the Preakness than the Derby. Risen Star, on the other hand, ran an AMAZING race in the race Derby! He was hung out, and was the only horse doing any real serious passing. It was obvious Risen Star was best that day. However, I'm not so sure his Preakness race, even in victory, was better than WC's Preakness effort.

After the Belmont Stakes...Winning Colors returned in the Maskette, got loose on the early lead, but was wore down late by Personal Ensign...losing by about a half a length.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

most people feel you get speed on top and stamina on the bottom, which means distance is influenced by the dam.

This is completely ridiculous. Anyone that has taken Biology 101 could tell people who feel this way how crazy it is.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Winning Colors actually ran an outstanding 3rd to Risen Star in the Preakness after her Derby win. She was involved in a bitter pace battle, through fast fractions, with a champion named Forty Niner...

Don't forget she was dueling while wide out in the track as well.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

This is completely ridiculous. Anyone that has taken Biology 101 could tell people who feel this way how crazy it is.

Yeah it is!

Point Given's dam would rocket to the lead in races....and, except for one time when she barely held at a mile on turf...she would always fire on the airbrakes late if the race was beyond 5.5 furlongs.

Point Given, on the hand, won the 12 furlong Belmont Stakes by the length of a city block.

E Z Warrior worked this morning at Hollywood Park in 1:11.60. It was the co-second fastest of 15 at the 6 panel distance.

The other horse to duplicate that time was another Baffert trainee that hasn't been seen in a while, to my knowledge...........Mr. Sekiguchi.

I don't know if the two horses worked as a pair or not, but it does look like one or both of them may be nearing an afternoon appearance in the not-too-distant future.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

She(W.C.) was never the same(after going 10f.)She won the Anita Oaks,Anita Derby,and THE KENTUCKY DERBY,and then what did she win? Some Budweiser race in '89? She had dominant zip.She ran fields off their feet(trying to keep up with her.) Whatever she had left after the Derby was not her "A" game.Just shows you how good she was(that she could come close with her "B" game.)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

She(W.C.) was never the same(after going 10f.)She won the Anita Oaks,Anita Derby,and THE KENTUCKY DERBY,and then what did she win? Some Budweiser race in '89? She had dominant zip.She ran fields off their feet(trying to keep up with her.) Whatever she had left after the Derby was not her "A" game.Just shows you how good she was(that she could come close with her "B" game.)

This is not only ridiculous it runs completely contrary to the evidence of her career record.

She ran, as DrugS accurately pointed out, a superb race in the Preakness. She held a five length lead into the stretch before being run down late by the great Personal Ensign in the Maskette and then lost by a nose to the same Personal Ensign in the BC Distaff while finishing ahead of Goodbye Halo who would simply have dusted these paper tigers we have seen leading that division in recent years.

A better argument could be made that the Derby was not her best effort and all things considered she should have finished behind both Forty Niner and Risen Star....at least on that day.