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Old 10-05-2006, 09:33 PM
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Default Songster at Philly Park

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Distance: 6 Furlongs Surface: Dirt Open Age: 3 Year Olds Stakes
Purse $100,000.
Prg.# PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Songster Bravo J Albertrani Thomas 123 0 L 8-5
2 2 Behavioral Finance Bravo J DeMasi Kathleen A 113 0 L 8-1
3 3 Fabulous Strike Bravo J Beattie Todd M 119 0 L 5-2
4 4 Valid Brush Elliott S Small Richard W 114 0 L 6-1
5 5 Wildeyed Dreamer Elliott S Allard Edward T 113 0 L 10-1
6 6 Herecomeshollywood Elliott S Allen Randy 110 0 L 20-1
7 7 Diabolical Pino M G Klesaris Steve 118 0 L 4-1


Check out Stewy Elliott and Bravo they are riding 3 horses each, I think they will be fighting over songster
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Old 10-06-2006, 06:31 AM
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Wow, who would have thunk it? Songster at Philadelphia Park? You know you've gone off form when...
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Old 10-06-2006, 06:49 AM
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What's wrong with running in a $100,000 stake at PHA? Are the fillies in the Cotillion 'off form' too? How about the group(s) running at Hoosier tonight and tomorrow night? 'Off form' because they're running there? Do you have to run only at SA, KEE or BEL to be important?
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Old 10-06-2006, 07:01 AM
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Well considering he was 5/2 in a grade 1 at the most important meet in the world just 5 weeks ago, I would say its kind of a surprise. I thought his last race was horribly disappointing and the one before that a race he should have won.
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Old 10-06-2006, 08:03 AM
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I really think this horse needs a break instead of a Breeder's Cup prep.
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Old 10-06-2006, 09:31 AM
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Maybe he can ruin another pick 4 for Oracle.

This horse has never been top quality. His record shows he is a grade 2/3 horse at best.

100K is pretty good for sprinters.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:09 AM
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Maybe he can ruin another pick 4 for Oracle.

This horse has never been top quality. His record shows he is a grade 2/3 horse at best.

100K is pretty good for sprinters.
Since when is grade 2 or 3 not top quality?
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Old 10-06-2006, 11:43 AM
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Since when is grade 2 or 3 not top quality?
It is, but the only real money in sprinting is in the grade 1's. Even grade 1 sprints don't offer nearly as much as the routers.
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Old 10-06-2006, 11:51 AM
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Maybe he can ruin another pick 4 for Oracle.

This horse has never been top quality. His record shows he is a grade 2/3 horse at best.

100K is pretty good for sprinters.
He's run in one grade 1 in his career, had a bad day (but still only 2 length out of 2nd), and he's not a grade 1 quality horse. OK.

And according to his trainer this is his last race of this year's campaign, which is probably smart since he's run 7 times already (a workmanlike schedule by today's standards, sadly...)
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Old 10-06-2006, 11:52 AM
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didnt Ashado get her final prep in at Philly Park before winning the BC Distaff in 2004?

who gives a sh*t if the race is run at philly?
its an easy prep race restricted to 3Y0 that should set him up fine for the BC.
that plan worked fine for Ashado in 2004.

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Old 10-06-2006, 12:01 PM
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didnt Ashado get her final prep in at Philly Park before winning the BC Distaff in 2004?

who gives a sh*t if the race is run at philly?
its an easy prep race restricted to 3Y0 that should set him up fine for the BC.
that plan worked fine for Ashado in 2004.

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He's not going to run in the BC if the trainer holds to his word, but i agree with you 100%. Not a fan of Phila Park but this place is set to explode once they get the slots... having spent several years living in Phila, i can tell you that will be one of the busiest slot palaces (nee degenerate machines) in the nation in a couple months. There's nothing wrong with running at the joint if they post up the money.
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Old 10-06-2006, 12:08 PM
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Songster in the BC? In which race exactly? The Sprint? Cmmon, hes already proven he cant even beat 3 year olds. How would he ever compete against horses like War Front, Bordonaro, Siren Lure and maybe Silver Train?
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Old 10-06-2006, 12:30 PM
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Songster in the BC? In which race exactly? The Sprint? Cmmon, hes already proven he cant even beat 3 year olds. How would he ever compete against horses like War Front, Bordonaro, Siren Lure and maybe Silver Train?

Id bet him to win over any horse besides Discreet Cat at 6f.
I would think Baffert moves forward with Too Much Bling if he runs well this wknd.
Songster has already proven he is a better 3YO than TMB.
just my take on it.
its not all that uncommon for sprinters to lose and regain their form throughout the year.
his late spring/early summer races were as good as any sprinter besides DCat.


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