rehab

jpops757 · #1 08-23-2011, 08:31 AM

When a horse is taken out of training due to sn injury, Do vets and trainers use some of the no-no drugs and hormones for rehab and aid to correct the injury? If they do, is it an accepted pratice? Will this show in testing or does it leave the system over time? How long does it take? I guess what Im wondering is why not give these wonderful animals a chance to do what they want and lead the pack. Im not promoting something that would give them a boost on raceday just something that could help correct a problem without endangering the animal.

Fearless Leader · #2 08-23-2011, 09:04 AM

What is a no-no drug ? Is it similar to a magic beanstalk bean bought from some guy named Jack ?

Riot · #3 08-23-2011, 10:09 AM

When a horse is in rehab you do what you can to help the horse recover from their injury and return to full athletic function as you would a human athlete: physical therapy, conditioning, hyperbaric oxygen, etc. I do lots of therapeutic massage and manipulative techniques on horses to help improve their athletic performance.

"Hormones and no-no drugs" is a broad, open statement that really doesn't mean anything. Many drugs are beneficial and good for the horse, are essential to excellent quality veterinary practice, and are used for the health and wellness of the animal on a daily basis at the track, but are not allowed on race day.

"How long do they last, can they be tested for". Yes. You might want to review the Racing Medication and Testing Consortium regulations, FAQ's and site and familiarize yourself with therapeutic medications, use and withdrawal times here http://www.rmtcnet.com/

And go to TheHorse.com and sign up free, then enter "rehabilitation" and "raceday medications" to learn more about it.

Cannon Shell · #4 08-23-2011, 12:00 PM

I generally use crack, heroin, crystal meth, EPO, elephant juice and LSD when rehabing my horses. And I found that marijuana mixed with hay is great to stimulate their appetites.

slotdirt · #5 08-23-2011, 12:02 PM

I presume ice boxes and magic shoes are in the offing for most laid-up horses.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #6 08-23-2011, 12:13 PM

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I generally use crack, heroin, crystal meth, EPO, elephant juice and LSD when rehabing my horses. And I found that marijuana mixed with hay is great to stimulate their appetites.

no cobra venom?

Clip-Clop · #7 08-23-2011, 12:47 PM

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no cobra venom?

You know how hard that is to get? All that other stuff is readily available in Vermont and New Hampshire.

jpops757 · #8 08-23-2011, 01:24 PM

Everyone talks about growing the sport and attracting new people. Riot is the only that takes this seriously. He tried to give me the info. The rest of you including Chuck, the great trainer, talk down to me and make it look like I dont belong in here. I try to respect any and all in here. I am not any kind of insider but I do enjoy the sport. Im sorry for intruding in this good ole boy club. Thank you riot for the info and not making fun of me.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #9 08-23-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

Everyone talks about growing the sport and attracting new people. Riot is the only that takes this seriously. He tried to give me the info. The rest of you including Chuck, the great trainer, talk down to me and make it look like I dont belong in here. I try to respect any and all in here. I am not any kind of insider but I do enjoy the sport. Im sorry for intruding in this good ole boy club. Thank you riot for the info and not making fun of me.

easy ..i dont have any idea if they are allowed to give banned substances to horses on rehab..but it may be a clue..the banned part.if the animal was to have surgery im sure the make him/her comfortable.

Cannon Shell · #10 08-23-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

Everyone talks about growing the sport and attracting new people. Riot is the only that takes this seriously. He tried to give me the info. The rest of you including Chuck, the great trainer, talk down to me and make it look like I dont belong in here. I try to respect any and all in here. I am not any kind of insider but I do enjoy the sport. Im sorry for intruding in this good ole boy club. Thank you riot for the info and not making fun of me.

Do you realize I went through an Earthquake today? Try to lighen up, we are defying death here on the East Coast. It isn't dangerous like a CA sporting event parking lot but it is scary and laughing is the best medicine.

jpops757 · #11 08-23-2011, 05:17 PM

I spent over 30 years as a firefighter here in Dallas and I can tell you a few things about cheating death. You want to be a smart arse and then call time out and want to be considerate.

Cannon Shell · #12 08-23-2011, 06:06 PM

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I spent over 30 years as a firefighter here in Dallas and I can tell you a few things about cheating death. You want to be a smart arse and then call time out and want to be considerate.

I wasn't aware this was such a serious thread.

So since you obviously aren't having fun here I will attempt to answer your question is less than 2000 words.
Very few drugs are "no-no's" or illegal to use on horses in general. There is a misconception that there is this huge number of illicit drugs that are used on horses to turn them into superhorses. The truth is that most positive tests are for medications that are not only legal to use but beneficial to the health of the horse. Anabolic steroids would fall into this catagory and can no longer be used within 45-60 or less days before a race. It is not illegal to use steroids rehabing or otherwise as long as when tested post race the level found is less than the level allowed.

From the tone of your initial post it would seem that you are on the right side of the medication argument as use of modern medicine as long as it is within the rules is the best way to approach issues. Of course the problem is those who are living in fantasy land want to rearrange the rules based on bogus information, have a desire to return to the 60's (1960's CL) and believe unfounded theories and deny horses the help that they need as living breathing creatures.

Is that what you were looking for originally?

jpops757 · #13 08-23-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I wasn't aware this was such a serious thread.

So since you obviously aren't having fun here I will attempt to answer your question is less than 2000 words.
Very few drugs are "no-no's" or illegal to use on horses in general. There is a misconception that there is this huge number of illicit drugs that are used on horses to turn them into superhorses. The truth is that most positive tests are for medications that are not only legal to use but beneficial to the health of the horse. Anabolic steroids would fall into this catagory and can no longer be used within 45-60 or less days before a race. It is not illegal to use steroids rehabing or otherwise as long as when tested post race the level found is less than the level allowed.

From the tone of your initial post it would seem that you are on the right side of the medication argument as use of modern medicine as long as it is within the rules is the best way to approach issues. Of course the problem is those who are living in fantasy land want to rearrange the rules based on bogus information, have a desire to return to the 60's (1960's CL) and believe unfounded theories and deny horses the help that they need as living breathing creatures.

Is that what you were looking for originally?

Thank you very much. I hope everything comes out safe and sound in the wake of the quake. When I originally made my post I felt that you would be the one that could furnish the most insight with the use of some of the steriods and growth enhancers. Again thank you very much.