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Old 08-19-2011, 03:41 PM
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Going to have her hands full, even without Blind Luck.
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Old 08-19-2011, 03:54 PM
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:06 PM
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Certainly not likely to have it her own way out front. Still hope she runs well. Would be a kick to see her win that and BL take the Pac.
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:24 PM
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Would be a kick to see her win that and BL take the Pac.
Well, THAT would be quite exciting, wouldn't it?
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:48 PM
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Win or lose, it's a bold move.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:54 PM
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I really think it was the only move. There's nothing to lose by them going this route and I can't see what they would have gained by going in the Personal Ensign without Blind Luck being there. My personal feeling is that she should currently be ranked ahead of BL on the basis of their 2011 resumes only but it seems like the majority opinion favors BL so HDG has to beat her at some point if they both stayed in their own division. If HDG were to go in the Personal Ensign while BL beat boys in the Pacific Classic, the gap would only widen. A win in this race probably puts HDG on top regardless of what BL does in whichever race they chose for her. If HDG were to win this and then go in the Classic as her camp says, BL would have to beat her there to win any kind of championship. Well, I guess if BL learns to dance, she wouldn't have to win the Classic to get HOY.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:21 AM
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I really think it was the only move. There's nothing to lose by them going this route and I can't see what they would have gained by going in the Personal Ensign without Blind Luck being there. My personal feeling is that she should currently be ranked ahead of BL on the basis of their 2011 resumes only but it seems like the majority opinion favors BL so HDG has to beat her at some point if they both stayed in their own division. If HDG were to go in the Personal Ensign while BL beat boys in the Pacific Classic, the gap would only widen. A win in this race probably puts HDG on top regardless of what BL does in whichever race they chose for her. If HDG were to win this and then go in the Classic as her camp says, BL would have to beat her there to win any kind of championship. Well, I guess if BL learns to dance, she wouldn't have to win the Classic to get HOY.
Great.

Based on the projected fields and the nature of the track surfaces, however, it seems that BL has a much greater chance of winning the Pacific Classic than HDG does of winning the Woodward.
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Old 08-20-2011, 02:03 AM
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I don't know if it's a much greater chance but I do agree that BL has a better chance to win the Pacific Classic. Of the two camps, Porter has been much more vocal about his desire to not only win a divisional championship but also HOY. With that in mind, if he had gone in the Personal Ensign while BL won the Pacific Classic, he would have been further behind. A loss in the Personall Ensign would have really hurt.

It feels like a chess move and Porter was taking an offensive move rather than defensive. I like it.
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Old 08-20-2011, 05:29 AM
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Lesson learned from 2010....you don't need to be the Horse of the Year to win the Horse of the Year...you just need to tell enough people you are Horse of the Year to win Horse of the Year. I give Porter credit for learning that.
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:01 AM
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Lesson learned from 2010....you don't need to be the Horse of the Year to win the Horse of the Year...you just need to tell enough people you are Horse of the Year to win Horse of the Year. I give Porter credit for learning that.
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:00 PM
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Blind Luck has to face Twirling Candy and Game on Dude, I believe....not easy, especially Baffert's hoss; who is going in the Woodward?
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:31 PM
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Blind Luck has to face Twirling Candy and Game on Dude, I believe....not easy, especially Baffert's hoss; who is going in the Woodward?
Probably Flat Out and Tizway.

While not exactly all timers, I'd certainly rather face Twirling Candy and Game on Dude going 10f over poly with BL.
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Old 08-21-2011, 11:14 AM
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Probably Flat Out and Tizway.

While not exactly all timers, I'd certainly rather face Twirling Candy and Game on Dude going 10f over poly with BL.
After the Whitney Bond said Tizway was going to the Jockey Club Gold Cup next. He's a horse that needs time between races, so I'll be surprised if he wheels him back in the Woodward.
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Old 08-21-2011, 11:42 AM
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After the Whitney Bond said Tizway was going to the Jockey Club Gold Cup next. He's a horse that needs time between races, so I'll be surprised if he wheels him back in the Woodward.
Oh, I missed that.

Still, Flat Out should easily handle HDG.
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:07 PM
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whos going to run in the Woodward then?
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:12 PM
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Convocation, Duke of Mischief, Giant Oak, Flat Out, and either Mission Impazible or Rule from Todd Pletcher's barn.

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Old 08-21-2011, 11:17 PM
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Don't the recent quotes from Jerry Hollendorfer suggest that Blind Luck won't go in the Pacific Classic? He hasn't had the most stellar of meets at Del Mar this year, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him sit on her until Santa Anita.

Beyond that, while all these "chess moves" going on in the media are keeping the excitement level for the rivalry alive, I kind of have the feeling we're in for a giant letdown a la Lite Light-Meadow Star in '91. Blind Luck was looking all but cooked as a 4yo as late as April of this year and Havre De Grace hasn't won a top class race outside the Apple Blossom, which looks more and more ordinary as Switch continues to collect minor awards.

My prediction:

Havre De Grace- 5th beaten 11 lengths in the Woodward. Something like bleeding or respiratory infection will be the excuse. Retired within 4 weeks of the defeat because there won't be "enough time to get her right".

Blind Luck- 2nd or 3rd in the Zenyatta Stakes. Then 4th or 5th in the BC Distaff.
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