Republican lobbying group accuse of voter suppression in Wisconsin

[Riot]

This is such an old-fashioned trick to keep people from voting: send them a fake absentee ballot with the wrong return date and return address on it

Recall elections in 6 days!

Americans For Prosperity Accused Of Voter Suppression In Wisconsin Recall Elections

Americans for Prosperity, the conservative advocacy group backed by billionaires Charles and David Koch, has been accused of attempting to suppress Democratic voter turnout in the Wisconsin Senate recall elections.

Patch.com reported that Charles Shultz, a Democrat who lives in the 10th Senate District, received an absentee ballot application form last week from AFP that contained incorrect information on it.

The form instructed him to mail it back to the wrong location by Aug. 11 -- two days after the recall election in his district between Sen. Sheila Harsdorf (R) and Shelly Moore (D) is set to take place, on Aug. 9.

Politico obtained a copy of the AFP mailer, which was also distributed to voters in the 2nd District.

The Wisconsin Democratic Party filed a formal complaint Tuesday with the state's Government Accountability Board over the issue, accusing AFP of "falsely representing the time frame" for the upcoming August 9 recall election. Shultz filed his own complaint with the GAB on Saturday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_913561.html

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

This is such an old-fashioned trick to keep people from voting: send them a fake absentee ballot with the wrong return date and return address on it

Recall elections in 6 days!

Oh the commercials are good. Crazy on both sides but good.

Usually followed up by another commercial, two Attys. (brothers) whose gimmick is preaching against drunk driving but "if you do we are the ones to call."

Ultimately I don't think the people of WI will or can be influenced by those outside of the State, especially Illinois. Unlike the country WI is headed back in the right direction.

Hint: North!

[joeydb]

I hate when people interfere with the voting process.

Another case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...gnorance-and-/

According to Christian Adams, who worked on the case, it was not pursued due to racial bias:

"Some of my co-workers argued that the law should not be used against black wrongdoers because of the long history of slavery and segregation. Less charitable individuals called it “payback time.” Incredibly, after the case was dismissed, instructions were given that no more cases against racial minorities like the Black Panther case would be brought by the Voting Section."

I'm so glad Obama wants to be the president of ALL the people, aren't you?

[wiphan]

Interesting that riot brings this up, but doesn't bring up the fact that local liberal groups have been giving free dinners and rides to get voters to submit absentee ballots.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...126548898.html

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/126605428.html

Dell is right both sides have ridiculous TV ads. I can't wait until it is over so I can watch tv or listen to the radio without hearing or seeing these ads

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Interesting that riot brings this up, but doesn't bring up the fact that local liberal groups have been giving free dinners and rides to get voters to submit absentee ballots.

LOL - yes, voter enabling, rather than illegal voting suppression. They are the exact same thing

Dell is right both sides have ridiculous TV ads. I can't wait until it is over so I can watch tv or listen to the radio without hearing or seeing these ads

Do you think turnout will be good, or do you think people are burned out on it?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - yes, voter enabling, rather than illegal voting suppression. They are the exact same thing



Do you think turnout will be good, or do you think people are burned out on it?

Your unwillingness to admit that when liberals are wrong amazes me. A conservative group prints the wrong date and you are outraged, but when a liberal groups offers prizes, free dinner, and free rides to go vote that is ok.


There are more stories than just this one.

Voter turnout will be high and the democrats may win with the additional outside spending and union funding (over $9.7 million). The key election is the Darling/Pasch election. If the Darling wins the dems will undoubtly call for a recount.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Your unwillingness to admit that when liberals are wrong amazes me.

Really? Your ability to jump to conclusions amazes me.

Reading the law - it does not appear they exchanged bribes for votes - there doesn't appear to be anything illegal. If that turns out to be true, they must suffer.

It's not illegal to bus legal voters to vote, or even have a party for them. Both parties do that all the time.

On the other hand, a lobbying group deliberately sending out absentee ballots targeted only to the opposition party with the wrong date and wrong return address pretty much is an obvious violation of the law, but of course that has yet to be investigated and proven, too.

That has happened in the past on the Democratic side (don't forget I grew up in Chicago) but that's not the case here, is it?

Voter turnout will be high and the democrats may win with the additional outside spending and union funding (over $9.7 million).

The Republican side is well represented with outside money, too, don't worry about that. Right now it appears they are outspending the Democratic side 2 to 1.

Voter turnout should be high - that would be great.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really? Your ability to jump to conclusions amazes me.

Reading the law - it does not appear they exchanged bribes for votes - there doesn't appear to be anything illegal. If that turns out to be true, they must suffer.

It's not illegal to bus legal voters to vote, or even have a party for them. Both parties do that all the time.

On the other hand, a lobbying group deliberately sending out absentee ballots targeted only to the opposition party with the wrong date and wrong return address pretty much is an obvious violation of the law, but of course that has yet to be investigated and proven, too.

That has happened in the past on the Democratic side (don't forget I grew up in Chicago) but that's not the case here, is it?



The Republican side is well represented with outside money, too, don't worry about that. Right now it appears they are outspending the Democratic side 2 to 1.

Voter turnout should be high - that would be great.

The politics and games being played by both sides in WI is ridiculous. There are more examples on both sides of ethical violations with the upcoming elections. I just can't believe that you think that there is nothing ethically wrong with having a block party with free meals, free rides and contest to get people to vote ABSENTEE

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

The politics and games being played by both sides in WI is ridiculous. There are more examples on both sides of ethical violations with the upcoming elections. I just can't believe that you think that there is nothing ethically wrong with having a block party with free meals, free rides and contest to get people to vote ABSENTEE

Many people who will be around on election day vote absentee, so they don't have to worry about getting to the polls election day. Both parties try to get voters to vote absentee. Block parties and free rides are COMMON and legal. Have been happening for 200 years.

BTW, absentee ballots are sometimes counted, sometimes not unless the election is close. So you have to check the local jurisdiction.

I will point out that Wisconsin Republicans (not Democrats) just rushed to change the laws requiring what it takes to vote in person, and many people have to jump through hoops now to do that. So it is easier for alot of legal voters to vote absentee.

[Riot]

This is just breaking:

The Democratic Party of Wisconsin is filing a lawsuit alleging that Alberta Darling has colluded illegally with right-wing groups during the campaign and before, and has been involved in a coverup.

The party alleges that Darling has committed multiple felonies, and also includes her campaign, Wisconsin Family Action, Wisconsin Right to Life, Americans for Prosperity, and other groups.

The allegation is that an election bribery scheme including these groups has involved Darling writing the budget to benefit these groups. Darling received an open records request to receive the communications between Darling and these groups, and she has refused to comply with them. The Dane County District Attorney brought a lawsuit against her, and she then released some of the requested records while insisting that she has complied with all requests. This is the basis of the allegations of a coverup, and misconduct in public office.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

This is just breaking:

Huge! LOL

Not quite the hemeroid Hillary and Sen. Frank share but huge nonetheless!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Many people who will be around on election day vote absentee, so they don't have to worry about getting to the polls election day. Both parties try to get voters to vote absentee. Block parties and free rides are COMMON and legal. Have been happening for 200 years.

BTW, absentee ballots are sometimes counted, sometimes not unless the election is close. So you have to check the local jurisdiction.

I will point out that Wisconsin Republicans (not Democrats) just rushed to change the laws requiring what it takes to vote in person, and many people have to jump through hoops now to do that. So it is easier for alot of legal voters to vote absentee.

Just so you know and you get your facts straight the Voter ID law doesn't go into effect until 2012

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Just so you know and you get your facts straight the Voter ID law doesn't go into effect until 2012

Just so you get your facts straight, your state legislature rushed through the law change to get it in place before these recall elections, and even at the last election 2 weeks ago they started asking people for ID, although they are supposed to let people vote without it (soft implementation), and not intimidate people.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Just so you get your facts straight, your state legislature rushed through the law change to get it in place before these recall elections, and even at the last election 2 weeks ago they started asking people for ID, although they are supposed to let people vote without it (soft implementation), and not intimidate people.

Not true but carry on

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Not true but carry on

It is true. I suggest you read about it at the Government Accountability Board pages. http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/photo-id

At the recall and special elections in 2011, voters will be asked to show a photo ID for a "soft implementation" of the new law. Voters who do not have the required ID will will be able to vote, but will also receive a document explaining the requirements of the law for 2012 and how to receive a free ID.

[Antitrust32]

Riot, did you even read what you posted?

"Voters who do not have the required ID will will be able to vote"


not sure how that extra will got in there, but I just wanted to quote you word for word.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Riot, did you even read what you posted?

"Voters who do not have the required ID will will be able to vote"


not sure how that extra will got in there, but I just wanted to quote you word for word.

Imagine that they are trying to help voters understand the new law before it goes into effect. SHAME SHAME SHAME on them for doing this

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Riot, did you even read what you posted?

"Voters who do not have the required ID will will be able to vote"


not sure how that extra will got in there, but I just wanted to quote you word for word.

And that matches exactly what I said it did, doesn't it?

Wiphan is having a fit over voters voting absentee. Get used to it. With the Republican plan being ALEC-determined and RGA-endorsed Republican voter suppression laws being initiated in multiple states, you'll see more of it.

Unless those Governors and legislatures are recalled, of course.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

And that matches exactly what I said it did, doesn't it?

Wiphan is having a fit over voters voting absentee. Get used to it. With the Republican plan being ALEC-determined and RGA-endorsed Republican voter suppression laws being initiated in multiple states, you'll see more of it.

Unless those Governors and legislatures are recalled, of course.

My issue is not with absentee voting it is with paying people or with giving them free diners, prizes etc in exchange for voting. In WI that is a felony.

Did u know that there are nearly 1000 registered voters in WI that are deceased?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

My issue is not with absentee voting it is with paying people or with giving them free diners, prizes etc in exchange for voting. In WI that is a felony.

Yeah, and it clearly appears that's not what happened. Giving a picnic and driving people to vote isn't the same as vote buying. But I know the factual details don't matter to many. What do you think of Darling and those felony charges?

Did u know that there are nearly 1000 registered voters in WI that are deceased?

Yes, people who are voting roles die all the time.

Did anybody successfully vote in the name of a dead person, or is this just another "vote fraud!" fear lie to try and justify voter suppression? How many people have been successfully prosecuted for voting in the name of a dead person in Wisconsin?

You know how many voting irregularities prosecuted nationally over the past 10 years would have been prevented by more strict voting ID laws? Less than 100

Wake up and start clearly seeing the propaganda intended to make voters compliant to business wishes: ALEC and the RGA (who owns that? Koch brothers) are tasking all Republican Governors to pass specific laws before 2012. Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan ... it's all the same.