It's not "just" David Junior now

sumitas · #1 09-02-2006, 04:49 PM

#4 sire in the world going into today, Pleasant Tap standing for $10,000, again shows his sire power in the Woodward. He'll be #3 in the world after today.
http://breeding.bloodhorse.com/sirel...ading_sire.asp

Betsy · #2 09-02-2006, 04:50 PM

The Dubai races inflate earnings - you honestly think Pleasant Tap is the 4th best sire in the word?

Danzig · #3 09-02-2006, 04:52 PM

gotta think premium tap will run in the bcc now, a face off between him and his bro.....

and i was SO GRATIFIED to hear randy call danzig one of the best, or was it premiere, sires ever. oh yeah.

last two years, woodward winner was the bcc winner.....will third time be a charm?

naaaaaaah.

BUT that is premium taps second win over sun king. and sun king gave invasor everything he had. interesting.

sumitas · #4 09-02-2006, 04:53 PM

Absolutely. And he's moving up even higher after today.

Danzig · #5 09-02-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

The Dubai races inflate earnings - you honestly think Pleasant Tap is the 4th best sire in the word?

a lot of the top sires are there due to inflated earnings...look at elusive quality, he got to the top because of the bonus his boy earned from oaklawn. it's the way it is. i like seeing horses like him up there.
don't the best horses win the best races w/ the best purses?? besides, ap indy moved to #1--i bet your argument won't be the same with him!!

sumitas · #6 09-02-2006, 04:58 PM

Just add another $300,000 to Pleasant Tap. He'll be #3 after today. I like him because he gets no hype and thus has a $10k fee. He just keeps banging out winners. I wonder what his fee will be next year ?

Danzig · #7 09-02-2006, 05:02 PM

exactly! every week when the new standings come out, i like to look and see all those lower-priced studs at the top of the list. gratifying to me, and to many! and even better, seeing some of those huge prices way down on the list, or not on there at all. gives us not quite ready for prime time players reason to hope that maybe we can get in the game with a 'cheap' horse.

Betsy · #8 09-02-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

a lot of the top sires are there due to inflated earnings...look at elusive quality, he got to the top because of the bonus his boy earned from oaklawn. it's the way it is. i like seeing horses like him up there.
don't the best horses win the best races w/ the best purses?? besides, ap indy moved to #1--i bet your argument won't be the same with him!!

And I have to say that Seattle Slew led the sires list in 1983 (I think?) because of Slew O'Gold's bonus for winning the Woodward and Gold Cup...I'm sorry, I know this isn't exactly correct; I just know SOG got a huge bonus.

Why are you bringing Indy into this? Oh, I know........oh, nevermind. I'm not going to get into another argument. I just have to be prepared for snide comments about my bias towards Indy whenever I post something that doesn't jibe with what other people think, even if Indy has nothing to do with it. Well, there's still plenty of time for Indy to drop from the top spot.

Danzig · #9 09-02-2006, 05:10 PM

yeah, slews first crop was a bonanza.

lol
i certainly don't mind ap indy up top. he's one of my favorites, a good stamina influence, as well as having slew as his pop. mineshaft and bernardini when he retires hopefully will carry on the legacy as well as ap indy.

my only point was, you can't bash one sire, esp knowing another sire is at the top for much the same reason....most of those at the top have just one performer raking in a bunch of the dough, and putting them up there. it's just the name of the game. and it wasn't snide, but i believe you take most replies to you as being such....not my problem.

Downthestretch55 · #10 09-02-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

Just add another $300,000 to Pleasant Tap. He'll be #3 after today. I like him because he gets no hype and thus has a $10k fee. He just keeps banging out winners. I wonder what his fee will be next year ?

Sumitas,
Do you remember the fee that Distorted Humor first got?
Amazing!
DTS

sumitas · #11 09-02-2006, 05:16 PM

Premium Tap is o/o Premium Red/Phylomina-Thirty Six Red (Seattle Slew line). No earth shattering names but a good bottom line with 2 reines de course and 1 g1 winner. He is 3x4 to Stage Door Johnny. That Will Farish (co-breeder of PT) comes up with some interesting matings.

So anyone who is not a sheikh has some hope.

Downthestretch55 · #12 09-02-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

Premium Tap is o/o Premium Red/Phylomina-Thirty Six Red (Seattle Slew line). No earth shattering names but a good bottom line with 2 reines de course and 1 g1 winner. He is 3x4 to Stage Door Johnny. That Will Farish (co-breeder of PT) comes up with some interesting matings.

So anyone who is not a sheikh has some hope.

Sumitas,
I'm bold enough to say that in this game, a sheikh and a little guy like me have exactly the same chances when our horses find their way into the gate.
It's happened before, and will happen again and again.
Today we found a few well bred favs go down to lessers.
It's just a big oval afterall. The horses do it, whether it's a 500K sire like Storm Cat, or one that doesn't hook with the sales ring buyers cause they haven't heard the name. It gives a little guy like me hope.
My guess is that many have forgotten Stage Door Johnny.
I haven't. The gene pool is pretty close.
DTS

sumitas · #13 09-02-2006, 05:35 PM

DTS,
hypo Darbay with Silver Music. Outstanding. DOn't forget Peruvian and Legion FIeld either. And Key Contender for Bourbon Streettune, or any Ice Capade top line sire.

i know these are not Deputy Minister lines but indulge me, lol.

Downthestretch55 · #14 09-02-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

DTS,
hypo Darbay with Silver Music. Outstanding. DOn't forget Peruvian and Legion FIeld either. And Key Contender for Bourbon Streettune, or any Ice Capade top line sire.

i know these are not Deputy Minister lines but indulge me, lol.

Sumitas,
Thanks. I wrote them down. Darbay is 100% winners from starters. Sires have been Gold Miner's Gold and Gone for Real.
Ice Capade looks like a good match for Boubon Streettune. The Stanislavsky filly is gorgeous. That one is heavy with Northern Dancer. She's growing like a weed.
Thanks for the input.
DTS

sumitas · #15 09-02-2006, 06:05 PM

Do your thing

personally, i'd love to see you inbreed some of the reines de course in the mares. Darbay is exceptionally well bred with many reines de course in her first 5 gens. just my 2 cents from the peanut gallery.

Danzig · #16 09-02-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Sumitas,
Thanks. I wrote them down. Darbay is 100% winners from starters. Sires have been Gold Miner's Gold and Gone for Real.
Ice Capade looks like a good match for Boubon Streettune. The Stanislavsky filly is gorgeous. That one is heavy with Northern Dancer. She's growing like a weed.
Thanks for the input.
DTS

100% winners from starters?! congratulations!!

Downthestretch55 · #17 09-03-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

DTS,
hypo Darbay with Silver Music. Outstanding. DOn't forget Peruvian and Legion FIeld either. And Key Contender for Bourbon Streettune, or any Ice Capade top line sire.

i know these are not Deputy Minister lines but indulge me, lol.

Sumitas,
Help me out on this if you have some time. The only Ice Capade I could find in NY is Chief Seattle ( Seattle Slew X Skatingonthinice by Ice Capade).
Chief Seattle is at Empire Stud in Hudson, NY.
Here's Key Contender. I couldn't find Ice Capade in his ped.
Thanks.

http://www.highcliff.com/registry_pdf/key_contender.pdf

Downthestretch55 · #18 09-03-2006, 01:13 PM

Here's the hypo for Silver MusicXDarbay. I see what you mean on this.
Line breeding to Raise a Native, Native Dancer.
Silver Music's fee seems plenty good too.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/p/20062.php

Danzig · #19 09-03-2006, 01:18 PM

hey dts...i've done a bit of looking...

calumar, by seattle slew x sweet tooth (dam of alydar)...not sure if you have the right kind of horse for him, but i thought i'd mention him.

sumitas · #20 09-03-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Here's the hypo for Silver MusicXDarbay. I see what you mean on this.
Line breeding to Raise a Native, Native Dancer.
Silver Music's fee seems plenty good too.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/p/20062.php

if they are a physical match the Silver Music/Darbay, i guarantee that pedigree has winner written all over it. Nines Wild, Night Caller, and Trick Me are tail male Ice Capade in NY.

The Key Contender/Bourbon Streettune i like because of the Ace Card 5x5 that results. I think Concorde Bound has had some success crossing Bold Ruler line to Bold Ruler tail male which the Key Contender gives you too. A nice ped always results when you cross the potent males and then inbreed a reines de course to really tighten up the ped. Inbreeding reine de course gives the sire more of what he is looking for, imo.

Calumar, a Calumet bred son of Seattle Slew, is a 1/2 brother to Alydar and he has just never gotten decent mares. He has shown success with Northern Dancer influenced mares. He is a great outcross for Northern Dancer/Mr Prospector and more breeders need to send him some mares. He's not getting any younger and his pedigree is to die for.

Of course you should match the couple physically before a mating, not just on paper.