Underrated / Overrated

my miss storm cat · #1 06-30-2010, 11:13 PM

Okay we're at the halfway point of the year (oh shut up, I know what month it is

).

The most underrated horse of the past 6 months was.....

The most overrated?

Fill in the blanks.

Port Conway Lane · #2 06-30-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Okay we're at the halfway point of the year (oh shut up, I know what month it is

).

The most underrated horse of the past 6 months was.....

The most overrated?

Fill in the blanks.

This is likely to turn into another one of "those" threads. The answer to the question(s) you ask depend on who is overrating or underrating any given horse.

Commentary aside Goldikova may be the most underrated (or underappreciated) and 85 in a 50 the most overrated.

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 06-30-2010, 11:54 PM

In order to be underrated or overrated ... one must have a set of some entities ratings to base their judgement on.

hockey2315 · #4 06-30-2010, 11:56 PM

Blame is the most overrated.

The Indomitable DrugS · #5 06-30-2010, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Blame is the most overrated.

He's logical ... but have you actually heard what people have been saying about Zenyatta?

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 07-01-2010, 12:13 AM

By the way ... of all the things posters and those in the press are notorious for sucking at the most ... it is how they go about forming their idiotic judgements on who they say is overrated and who they say is underrated.

There's a very simple method for doing this the correct way.

You look at each division as its own entity ... you isolate the divisions who are both strongest and weakest in terms of depth and quality in relation to years and years past within that same division.

To find the most overrated horse ... you're simply looking for the horse with the most impressive set of credentials earned without showing the expected quality of performance befitting of a horse with those credential and earned without facing the expected quality of opponet befitting a horse of its repute and credentials.

To the find the most underrated horse ... you're simply looking for an impressive horse without impressive credentials because they've faced historically strong divisional competition which has alllowed them to become overshaddowed.

Indian Charlie · #7 07-01-2010, 12:21 AM

Zenyatta is a clear winner for being the most overrated, since she is nowhere near the best filly or mare of all time.

Any argument made against this reasoning is simply proof of being retarded.

Indian Charlie · #8 07-01-2010, 12:23 AM

I was having trouble coming up with an underrated horse, and then it occurred to me, that MMSC was asking a trick question, since it's nearly impossible to underrate anyone currently running.

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 07-01-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I was having trouble coming up with an underrated horse, and then it occurred to me, that MMSC was asking a trick question, since it's nearly impossible to underrate anyone currently running.

It's not easy picking a most underrated horse so far this year... but here's my pick.

http://community.drf.com/files/hollywood-hit.pdf

You're talking about an Oklahoma bred racing in Canada that pretty much no one cares about ... he's beaten some pretty nice horses and run some very fast races .. especially for synthetic surfaces.

Indian Charlie · #10 07-01-2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's not easy picking a most underrated horse so far this year... but here's my pick.

http://community.drf.com/files/hollywood-hit.pdf

You're talking about an Oklahoma bred racing in Canada that pretty much no one cares about ... he's beaten some pretty nice horses and run some very fast races .. especially for synthetic surfaces.

Wow, that's a pretty nice looking horse. However, now that you've outed him, PG1985 will become aware of this horse and proclaim him the greatest sprinter since Zensational, thus either making him the most overrated horse this year, or not making him the most overrated horse this year.

Either way, he's almost a certainty to win OK bred HOY 2010.

my miss storm cat · #11 07-01-2010, 02:22 AM

Not a trick question and very nice example with Hollywood Hit.

I feel bad naming my first overrated. I'm sorry Brockguy! I know you like this one a lot.

Presvis.
Was a very nice horse but lately?
9th at Ascot
5th at Sha Tin (QE II) Cup
5th at Kranji (SIA Cup)
11th in Dubai

Cavalryman.
Formerally with Fabre, now with Godolphin.
Prix Niel (G2) winner
Won Grand Prix De Paris (Group 1)
3rd in the Arc
5th in the Coronation Cup
12th Prince of Wales's
Down, down, down and it's a shame cause he could have been, well... it's too bad.

Underrated...

Typhoon Tracy.
4 G1 wins, 3 of which were this year and so many people have never heard this name. 10 wins from 14 starts total.

http://horseform.racingandsports.com...137B93D55E8D22

Spanish Moon.

Always neglected, always ignored, never talked about...
6, 3, 2 from 15 starts
Wins include Prix Foy (he beat Vision d'Etat)
Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud (Group 1)
2nd in the Hong Kong Vase
Nice horse who I think gets confused with Purple Moon (who is okaaay).

The Indomitable DrugS · #12 07-01-2010, 07:10 AM

Ice Box might have been a decent choice two days after the Derby ... but after the Belmont that goes out the window. Does anyone really still think he's anything?

I've always been amazed by how stupid people are with the simple concept of understanding what it means to be underrated and overrated.

Indian Charlie · #13 07-01-2010, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Not a trick question and very nice example with Hollywood Hit.

I feel bad naming my first overrated. I'm sorry Brockguy! I know you like this one a lot.

Presvis.
Was a very nice horse but lately?
9th at Ascot
5th at Sha Tin (QE II) Cup
5th at Kranji (SIA Cup)
11th in Dubai

Cavalryman.
Formerally with Fabre, now with Godolphin.
Prix Niel (G2) winner
Won Grand Prix De Paris (Group 1)
3rd in the Arc
5th in the Coronation Cup
12th Prince of Wales's
Down, down, down and it's a shame cause he could have been, well... it's too bad.

Underrated...

Typhoon Tracy.
4 G1 wins, 3 of which were this year and so many people have never heard this name. 10 wins from 14 starts total.

http://horseform.racingandsports.com...137B93D55E8D22

Spanish Moon.

Always neglected, always ignored, never talked about...
6, 3, 2 from 15 starts
Wins include Prix Foy (he beat Vision d'Etat)
Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud (Group 1)
2nd in the Hong Kong Vase
Nice horse who I think gets confused with Purple Moon (who is okaaay).

Well, if you are going to talk about underrated horses from Hong Kong, there is this horse I'm really high on that's been running on the planet of Ork. Mindy's Pet.

He's only won 3 of 8 starts, but I feel once they stop running him over astro turf, he'll do much better.

Indian Charlie · #14 07-01-2010, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Ice Box might have been a decent choice two days after the Derby ... but after the Belmont that goes out the window. Does anyone really still think he's anything?

I've always been amazed by how stupid people are with the simple concept of understanding what it means to be underrated and overrated.

If not for the big Z, Ice Box would have been a runaway winner of the overrated question. And that was before the Belmont.

The Indomitable DrugS · #15 07-01-2010, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

If not for the big Z, Ice Box would have been a runaway winner of the overrated question. And that was before the Belmont.

That was for maybe like 2 days after the Derby. Obviously not before it. The horse he nipped in the FLA Derby photo goes today at CD on the turf.

Indian Charlie · #16 07-01-2010, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That was for maybe like 2 days after the Derby.

Not for me. Now, maybe not since he lost, but after he won the Fla Derby, bleh.

The attention the two Zito horses were getting was unwarranted in my eyes.

The Indomitable DrugS · #17 07-01-2010, 08:00 AM

No one acted like his Fla Derby win was any sign of greatness. Devil May Care went faster same day and distance and all this years Florida Derby will ever be remembered for is Eskanderya's late defection because his owner didn't want too much time between his final Derby prep and the Derby.

Indian Charlie · #18 07-01-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No one acted like his Fla Derby win was any sign of greatness. Devil May Care went faster same day and distance and all this years Florida Derby will ever be remembered for is Eskanderya's late defection because his owner didn't want too much time between his final Derby prep and the Derby.

In my eyes, even with all that, I thought he was overrated.

I understand what you are saying though.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #19 07-01-2010, 08:49 AM

ice box is a nice horse..every other derby horse had at least two bad legs of the tc..i cashed on him in the fla derby and the kd.. the price was crazy in the belmont..

they all[ 3 year old crop ]would look overrated if eskandera was healthy.

RockHardTen1985 · #20 07-01-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Blame is the most overrated.

Based on what? Who in this Country is 100% better then him right now? At best you could name 3 horses, and thats even pushing it.... How is he not the clear cut second best older male in training, and if he came along a year earlier he would have won the Older Male title last year, you cant tell me he would not have crushed Bullsbay, and Macho Again on a regular basis. Nevermind... He did beat up on them, as a 3yr old.