Bleeping tax question

[Stickhorse]

I'm sure many of you have had sign-ups over the past years. My accountant tells me that a recent case has changed the way I should determine gambling wins and losses.

http://www.journalofaccountancy.com/...m?action=print

I usually am lucky to have one a year and it usually is small enough that the government does not withhold money but I always write off the win. As proof of my losses I have old tickets from the track and my betting records from ADWs. Actually my ADW play, this year, did not show a big enough loss so I would have to use tickets to justify not being taxed.

I noticed the article refers to casual gambling. I play over a 100 days a year but my handle is only in the 6-7 K. Is this still casual?

Just wondering what you folks do? Anybody have a similar problem?

Sorry I posted initially this in the wrong forum.

[alphanumeric1]

Originally Posted by Stickhorse

I'm sure many of you have had sign-ups over the past years. My accountant tells me that a recent case has changed the way I should determine gambling wins and losses.

http://www.journalofaccountancy.com/...m?action=print

Your link doesn't work..Please fix it. Thanks.

[Stickhorse]

Sorry can't find the link now. This is from a PDF my accountant sent me. The link was from the bottom of the PDF. The artricle is from The Journal of Accountancy.

Tax Court Accepts IRS Method for Determining Gambling Wins and
Losses DECEMBER 29, 2009

The Tax Court held in a memorandum decision released Monday that taxpayers who were casual gamblers recognized
wins or losses when they redeemed their tokens and that they could not net their wins and losses across the year
(Shollenberger, TC Memo 2009-306).
In this decision, the court accepted the IRS’ methodology for determining wagering gains and losses, which the Office of
Chief Counsel put forth in a legal memorandum in 2008 (AM 2008-011).
The taxpayers in the case were a married couple who gambled occasionally at a casino in the small town of Charles
Town, W.Va. On March 29, 2005, the husband hit a $2,000 jackpot at a dollar slot machine. The couple continued
gambling and lost $400 from the jackpot; they left the casino that day with $1,600 in winnings. They did not report any
gambling income on their tax return for 2005, and the IRS issued a deficiency notice for $2,000 in unreported gambling
winnings.
IRC § 165(d) states that “losses from wagering transactions shall be allowed only to the extent of the gains from such
transactions” but does not provide a technical definition of the terms “gains” and “losses.” As AM 2008-011 explains, the
term “transactions” in section 165(d) could mean every single play in a game of chance or every wager made. That
interpretation would require a taxpayer to calculate the gain or loss on every transaction separately and treat every play or
wager as a taxable event and also to trace and recompute the basis through all transactions to calculate the result of each
play or wager.
Because that method would be “unduly burdensome,” the IRS legal memo allows a casual gambler to recognize a
wagering gain or loss at the time he or she redeems tokens.
At trial, the IRS conceded that under that method, the taxpayers should have reported $1,100 in gambling winnings rather
than the $2,000 in the deficiency notice. According to the court, the lesser amount would be calculated as follows: $2,000
in jackpot winnings minus $500 in wagering money originally brought into the casino by the taxpayers minus the $400 lost
by the taxpayers after the jackpot that day.
The taxpayers argued that they should be allowed to offset their gambling winnings with $2,264 of other gambling losses
that they claimed to have incurred in 2005. Because section 165(d) uses the term “transactions,” the court held that the
taxpayers could not net their gains and losses throughout the year. Instead, the court accepted the IRS’ treatment of
transactions as occurring when the gambler cashes in his or her tokens at the end of play and held the taxpayers to have
$1,100 of unreported gross income for the year.
According to the court, to allow the taxpayers to net gains and losses throughout the year would defeat the purpose of
IRC § 63, under which losses of casual gamblers are allowable only as itemized deductions.
For more on IRS legal memorandum AM 2008-011, see Beavers, “IRS Issues Guidance on Determining Wagering Gains
and Losses,” 40 The Tax Adviser 129 (February 2009).
Tax Court Accepts IRS Method for Determining Gambling Wins and Losses

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http://www.journalofaccountancy.com/...m?action=print

[Stickhorse]

Here is the link :

http://www.journalofaccountancy.com/Web/20092454

[Kildaretown]

My accountant told me the same thing----except when you read the tax court ruling it states in the last paragraph that losses across the year are only allowable if you itemize. The couple cited in this case did not itemize if I read the ruling correctly. That is the big difference I believe.

[Stickhorse]

When I reread it indeed it sounds like those of us that itemize can continue to write off sign ups.

[rpncaine]

Thank God.