Yankee Bravo

randallscott35 · #1 12-09-2009, 09:15 AM

Anyone got 50k to put down for him today? I'll throw in.

Scav · #2 12-09-2009, 09:21 AM

why in the world would you claim this horse?

randallscott35 · #3 12-09-2009, 09:23 AM

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why in the world would you claim this horse?

Why not? 50k? He isn't snipped. He needs a Wolfson worming and he'd be winning the Big Cap.

Scav · #4 12-09-2009, 10:19 AM

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Why not? 50k? He isn't snipped. He needs a Wolfson worming and he'd be winning the Big Cap.

if you are claiming a horse for 50k in California now days, you almost have to win allowance conditions to make money, this horse can't do that. He isn't a statebred, and has had four bad races off a 280 day layoff, then a 92 day layoff, then two races, then 74 days, and now another 91 days.

His nuts aren't the problem. Spirit of Cochise is a pretty good claim, he is a Cal-bred with a bunch of conditions left, and has a real good Del Mar race to go back to. He would pay his way next year and probably chip away at the 50k investment

randallscott35 · #5 12-09-2009, 10:21 AM

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if you are claiming a horse for 50k in California now days, you almost have to win allowance conditions to make money, this horse can't do that. He isn't a statebred, and has had four bad races off a 280 day layoff, then a 92 day layoff, then two races, then 74 days, and now another 91 days.

His nuts aren't the problem. Spirit of Cochise is a pretty good claim, he is a Cal-bred with a bunch of conditions left, and has a real good Del Mar race to go back to. He would pay his way next year and probably chip away at the 50k investment

I wouldn't keep him in Cali.

Scav · #6 12-09-2009, 10:22 AM

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I wouldn't keep him in Cali.

Where would you take him? NY? FL?

NTamm1215 · #7 12-09-2009, 10:25 AM

I'd claim Usurp before Yankee Bravo.

NT

randallscott35 · #8 12-09-2009, 10:25 AM

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Where would you take him? NY? FL?

Money no object? Gulfstream.

Scav · #9 12-09-2009, 10:29 AM

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Money no object? Gulfstream.

But money is almost always an object. By the time you get him to Gulfstream you would be 65k into the horse, he would have to win a 100k stakes races to be almost even, and he wouldn't be 15 lengths within a 100k stakes race now.

Duvalier · #10 12-09-2009, 10:29 AM

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Where would you take him? NY? FL?

Penn National

randallscott35 · #11 12-09-2009, 10:31 AM

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But money is almost always an object. By the time you get him to Gulfstream you would be 65k into the horse, he would have to win a 100k stakes races to be almost even, and he wouldn't be 15 lengths within a 100k stakes race now.

You have him for as long as you want. He's 4. He doesn't have to be a claimer forever.

Usurp is interesting as well.

Scav · #12 12-09-2009, 10:33 AM

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You have him for as long as you want. He's 4. He doesn't have to be a claimer forever.

Usurp is interesting as well.

Ok, if you are looking to piss away 250k on one horse, which is what 'forever' will probably cost, then sure he is a great claim

randallscott35 · #13 12-09-2009, 10:35 AM

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Ok, if you are looking to piss away 250k on one horse, which is what 'forever' will probably cost, then sure he is a great claim

Tom obviously not over Zenyatta not hitting the board in the BC....Trying to liven up the board with a horse I would claim. Get a discussion started. Furthest Land was had for 35k.

freddymo · #14 12-09-2009, 11:05 AM

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Penn National

There is a 12,500 claimer tomorrow at Aqueduct that could be Dr'Nessed up to win an allowance or two maybe even that 14 opt claimer for 40k

RolloTomasi · #15 12-09-2009, 12:17 PM

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if you are claiming a horse for 50k in California now days, you almost have to win allowance conditions to make money, this horse can't do that. He isn't a statebred, and has had four bad races off a 280 day layoff, then a 92 day layoff, then two races, then 74 days, and now another 91 days.

His nuts aren't the problem.

Actually, Yankee Bravo, noted for his dead closing style during the '08 Derby campaign, has either run-off completely (the San Carlos) or been very rank in his off-and-on campaign this year. Solis was able to settle him in a couple turf allowances but only with a strong hold.

While ultimately this roguish behavior (which should be viewed as a major negative if considering a claim) may have nothing to do with his testicles, its probably a good place to start.

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Spirit of Cochise is a pretty good claim, he is a Cal-bred with a bunch of conditions left, and has a real good Del Mar race to go back to. He would pay his way next year and probably chip away at the 50k investment

Spirit Of Cochise has won both the state-bred first condition and the open company first condition. From a realistic standpoint (ie races he can win), he doesn't have a lot of conditions left.

Cannon Shell · #16 12-09-2009, 12:56 PM

Yankee Bravo wouldnt be a terrible claim if you had some idea about his current physical condition. His trainer seemingly has run out of ideas after blinks on then off then on again and different surface switches. The first thing I would do is geld him and give him 45 days off. Then try a dirt surface. At least he had quite a bit of talent at one time.

The claim in that race if you gave me the 50k would be Usurp. I would immediately ship him out of CA to Philly/NY inner where his natural speed is a plus and wont be used against him.

NTamm1215 · #17 12-09-2009, 01:03 PM

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Yankee Bravo wouldnt be a terrible claim if you had some idea about his current physical condition. His trainer seemingly has run out of ideas after blinks on then off then on again and different surface switches. The first thing I would do is geld him and give him 45 days off. Then try a dirt surface. At least he had quite a bit of talent at one time.

The claim in that race if you gave me the 50k would be Usurp. I would immediately ship him out of CA to Philly/NY inner where his natural speed is a plus and wont be used against him.

That was my point as it seemed like his Fairplex effort would sort of portend dirt ability. He is a half to Sly, who's not a very good horse by any stretch but has been an effective turf sprinter. Thus, if you brought him to a place like NY and ran him on the inner for the winter then looked at the turf sprints in the spring and summer you could get the money back.

It would also seem like Ron Ellis would be a decent trainer to claim off of since he doesn't seem to overwork his horses.

NT

hockey2315 · #18 12-09-2009, 01:05 PM

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It would also seem like Ron Ellis would be a decent trainer to claim off of since he doesn't seem to overwork his horses.

9/59 - 15% - first after claimed from

SCUDSBROTHER · #19 12-09-2009, 02:02 PM

Who is Yankee Bravo?

This is Yankee Pssy. Been that way a long time. Good luck waking this bent lil btch up. Let him continue to be Lucifer's helper.

RolloTomasi · #20 12-09-2009, 02:54 PM

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That was my point as it seemed like his Fairplex effort would sort of portend dirt ability. He is a half to Sly, who's not a very good horse by any stretch but has been an effective turf sprinter. Thus, if you brought him to a place like NY and ran him on the inner for the winter then looked at the turf sprints in the spring and summer you could get the money back.

It would also seem like Ron Ellis would be a decent trainer to claim off of since he doesn't seem to overwork his horses.

NT

Usurp has faced some decent horses throughout his career but note that he had a 6 month layoff from 2 to 3 followed by an 11th month layoff after a handful of starts at 3.

While he hasn't missed much time this year (aside from a 2 month break after his comeback win), there are red flags starting to pop up. First, Ron Ellis is quoted as saying he came out of his work prior to the Pomona race "a little funky". In that race he got out horribly going into the first turn and finished up the race short strided (whereas he usually fought gamely--even when losing--in prior starts). Either he was hurting, didn't particularly care for dirt, or both.

In his last 2, he has not shown his customary :44+ speed and has finished off the board. Given that he finished in the exacta in 7 of his first 9 starts while racing on the front end, this doesn't bode well.

In addition to dropping down a level today, he also does not have a recorded breeze since his last race.

If he is able to hold up for a few more races, it would be interesting to see how he handles two turns, given his pedigree (his 2nd dam is a Grade 1 winner BTW).