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Old 06-01-2009, 06:17 AM
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Default 6/5 (BEL): Hill Prince (Gr. III); Brooklyn (Gr. II); + 2 Listed S.

4th (2:36) Alyssum S.

6 1/2 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $65,000

1 Mani Bhavan Garcia Alan 118 L
2 Roxyana Velazquez J R 118 L
3 Speculation Maragh R 118 L
1A Hollywood Hills Dominguez R A 118 L
1X Malibu Beach Dominguez R A 118 L
4 Pretty Katherine Gomez G K 118 L
5 Reforestation Castellano J J 118 L

A-Coupled: Mani Bhavan and Hollywood Hills and Malibu Beach



8th (4:45) Glowing Honor S.

6 Furlongs (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $65,000

1 Anofficerandalady Coa E M 121 L
2 Life Lesson Garcia Alan 119 L
3 Missvinski Castellano J J 121 Blk-Off L
4 What She Said Velasquez C 121 L
5 Lucky Copy Gomez G K 121 L
6 Jazzy (ARG) Maragh R 121 L
7 J Z Warrior Velazquez J R 121 L
8 Holistic Prado E S 119 L
9 Sales Tax Desormeaux K J 121 L
10 Frolic's Dream Dominguez R A 117 L

MTO Are We Dreamin 121 L
MTO Dance Gal Dance Maragh R 119 L
MTO Matchless Orinda Velasquez C 119 L



9th (5:17) Hill Prince S. (G3)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Duke of Homberg (GB) Dominguez R A 120 L
2 Despite the Odds Rose J 116 L
3 Rendezvous Gomez G K 116 L
4 Florentino (JPN) Garcia Alan 116 L
5 Lime Rickey Castellano J J 116 L
6 Heros Image Velasquez C 116 L
7 Elmfield Boy Coa E M 116 L
8 Conservative Desormeaux K J 116 L
9 Affirmatif Velazquez J R 116 L

MTO Dubinsky Rose J 118 L



10th (5:49) Brooklyn H. (G2)

1 1/2 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Ea Dominguez R A 116 L
2 Nite Light Velazquez J R 116 L
3 Eldaafer Chavez J F 114 Blk-Off L
1A Barrier Reef Dominguez R A 118 L
4 Lord Kipling Prado E S 114 L
5 Delosvientos Coa E M 120 L
6 Fierce Wind Desormeaux K J 116 L
7 Alcomo (BRZ) Velasquez C 118 L
8 Don Misil (ARG) Maragh R 114 L
9 Rising Moon Gomez G K 118 L

A-Coupled: Ea and Barrier Reef
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:53 PM
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Look's like a half day of work on Friday!
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Old 06-01-2009, 07:45 PM
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You'll need an ADW to watch the Hill Prince and Brooklyn live if your at home.
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Old 06-01-2009, 07:48 PM
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You'll need an ADW to watch the Hill Prince and Brooklyn live if your at home.
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:03 PM
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Look's like a half day of work on Friday!
Looks like NO WORK that day for me...going to Belmont...searching out the Bykster...munching a Carolina BBQ if its open...hoping for nice weather!
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:06 PM
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I know it's early, but I really like Missvinski.
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:09 PM
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I know it's early, but I really like Missvinski.
The one who stopped on a dime on Saturday in that listed stake race?

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Old 06-01-2009, 08:15 PM
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Here's a thought: how about Toscano and Chavez get their heads out of their asses and not have Eldaafer up close early before dropping to last and coming again prematurely on the turn. Toscano asses out with this claim and he needs to abuse the poor horse by putting Chavez up, AGAIN.
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:30 PM
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Here's a thought: how about Toscano and Chavez get their heads out of their asses and not have Eldaafer up close early before dropping to last and coming again prematurely on the turn. Toscano asses out with this claim and he needs to abuse the poor horse by putting Chavez up, AGAIN.
The trainer of record is now Diane Alvarado. Chavez's last two rides on this horse have been laughably bad and I think he has an excellent chance on Friday.

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Old 06-01-2009, 08:39 PM
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The one who stopped on a dime on Saturday in that listed stake race?

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yup
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:44 PM
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yup
You should get a good price.

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Old 06-01-2009, 09:29 PM
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You should get a good price.
I realize that the tone of your post is basically "you're an idiot - the horse has not shot," so I guess I might as well state my case.

First off, this horse's Euro form was obviously very, very good and she clearly showed A LOT of promise for Rouget - I'm sure you wouldn't debate that her last race in France almost certainly was better than anything any of these horses have ever run (on turf). She was also 3-for-3 at 6F in Europe. Now, we can't bank on her being the same horse she was in 2007 for various/obvious reasons, but we may be able to explain away some of her disappointments since then to the point where we can give her another chance at a very big price.

9/8/07 - G1 Garden City - a very tough spot - she ran only borderline credibly - we can excuse her because of the distance and because it was her first start in N.A.

10/14/08 - Listed stakes in CA - first for Canani - she was off slow and never in contention - placed on the bench for a while after that so it's safe to assume something went wrong

5/9/08 - turf sprint stakes in CA - first off the lay-off, she once again gets left at the gate, but then closes to get third into what I'm assuming was a very slow pace without knowing how the turf was playing that day (:23 3/5 and :46 2/5)

6/28/09 - she's then entered in a somewhat ambitious spot in the G2 A Gleam on synth against the likes of Dearest Trickski and Magnificience on the polytrack. If this is the race I'm thinking of, DT controlled the pace and even Magnificience (granted, a much worse horse on poly) couldn't get to her. Missvinski had a rough trip and never ran a step. We can chalk her non-effort up to that, the surface, or maybe another injury.

4/11/09 - First for Mott, won by front-runner Raw Silk. I don't have the chart for the race and can't remember anything about it, but from the looks of things Missvinski got a little too close to the pace. It was her first off the lay-off and first with Mott so while it's a slightly less easily excusable performance, I think we can still give her a bit of a break.

After the South Beach, her works signal improvement. She had three very fast works back-to-back before a slower final work before her effort on Saturday, and looked to be coming into the race pretty tuned up but also perhaps a little too keen. She came out a little too sharp in a race beyond her best distance, and spit the bit after setting a good pace.

The fact that Mott's running her back so quickly to me shows that he saw something in her works that makes him think she's better than that last performance and perhaps he realized that he mis-spotted her a bit. She's turning back - obviously good for her - and as long as she came out of the race on Saturday in good order probably gained a lot of fitness from the effort. Notice that all the works in her PPs have been at 4F - she may not have been fit enough off of those. Taking off the blinkers certainly can't hurt either. . .
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Old 06-01-2009, 09:36 PM
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I think he's desperate and she can no longer race competitively.

Look, she's a big price, and I realize she has a " wise guy horse " sign on her back......I just don't like her. But, I also won't be absolutely shocked if she runs OK.
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Old 06-01-2009, 09:38 PM
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I realize that the tone of your post is basically "you're an idiot - the horse has not shot," so I guess I might as well state my case.

First off, this horse's Euro form was obviously very, very good and she clearly showed A LOT of promise for Rouget - I'm sure you wouldn't debate that her last race in France almost certainly was better than anything any of these horses have ever run (on turf). She was also 3-for-3 at 6F in Europe. Now, we can't bank on her being the same horse she was in 2007 for various/obvious reasons, but we may be able to explain away some of her disappointments since then to the point where we can give her another chance at a very big price.

9/8/07 - G1 Garden City - a very tough spot - she ran only borderline credibly - we can excuse her because of the distance and because it was her first start in N.A.

10/14/08 - Listed stakes in CA - first for Canani - she was off slow and never in contention - placed on the bench for a while after that so it's safe to assume something went wrong

5/9/08 - turf sprint stakes in CA - first off the lay-off, she once again gets left at the gate, but then closes to get third into what I'm assuming was a very slow pace without knowing how the turf was playing that day (:23 3/5 and :46 2/5)

6/28/09 - she's then entered in a somewhat ambitious spot in the G2 A Gleam on synth against the likes of Dearest Trickski and Magnificience on the polytrack. If this is the race I'm thinking of, DT controlled the pace and even Magnificience (granted, a much worse horse on poly) couldn't get to her. Missvinski had a rough trip and never ran a step. We can chalk her non-effort up to that, the surface, or maybe another injury.

4/11/09 - First for Mott, won by front-runner Raw Silk. I don't have the chart for the race and can't remember anything about it, but from the looks of things Missvinski got a little too close to the pace. It was her first off the lay-off and first with Mott so while it's a slightly less easily excusable performance, I think we can still give her a bit of a break.

After the South Beach, her works signal improvement. She had three very fast works back-to-back before a slower final work before her effort on Saturday, and looked to be coming into the race pretty tuned up but also perhaps a little too keen. She came out a little too sharp in a race beyond her best distance, and spit the bit after setting a good pace.

The fact that Mott's running her back so quickly to me shows that he saw something in her works that makes him think she's better than that last performance and perhaps he realized that he mis-spotted her a bit. She's turning back - obviously good for her - and as long as she came out of the race on Saturday in good order probably gained a lot of fitness from the effort. Notice that all the works in her PPs have been at 4F - she may not have been fit enough off of those. Taking off the blinkers certainly can't hurt either. . .
"You're an idiot, the horse has no shot" is not my style and I'd rarely, if ever, say that here or anywhere. In fact, I hoped that you would mention what you liked about her. I made a sizable wager on her in the Garden City based on her Euro form. I thought she ran well that afternoon but the winner was just a superior horse that afternoon.

I agree that she's had a variety of things go wrong since and there are excuses for some of them. I'm mostly baffled by the quick comeback given that that's never been Mott's thing. She is definitely way off form but there is some merit to considering what she can do if they lay back and make one run. That was her preferred style in Europe, so it would definitely make a difference.

I really thought she stopped like a horse who bled last time out and maybe the time before. I've hardly looked at the field but she's certainly going to be a large price and undoubtedly faces a softer group than she has in her last two starts.

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Old 06-01-2009, 09:56 PM
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I think Frolic's Dream will run well debuting on turf for Tagg. The last two - first two for Tagg - don't look good but can be tossed. The mile G2 Davona Dale was beyond her reach in terms of distance and then she clearly loathed the mud at BEL on 5/2. Like seeing Dominguez taking ride.
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I think he's desperate and she can no longer race competitively.

Look, she's a big price, and I realize she has a " wise guy horse " sign on her back......I just don't like her. But, I also won't be absolutely shocked if she runs OK.
I could see this side of things, but the fact that she seems to be working speedily and showed a lot of speed on Saturday seems to go against this theory a bit. She has at least been showing SOMETHING. Nick's point that Mott's not one to run horses back this quickly could probably either be taken as a sign of desperation or something a little more promising. I'm obviously leaning towards the latter, as I don't think a patient horsemen like Mott would be running this horse into the ground if he thought she was done (not that I'm accusing you of intimating something so nefarious).
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I think Frolic's Dream will run well debuting on turf for Tagg. The last two - first two for Tagg - don't look good but can be tossed. The mile G2 Davona Dale was beyond her reach in terms of distance and then she clearly loathed the mud at BEL on 5/2. Like seeing Dominguez taking ride.
Cue the Wolfson juice comments. . .
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Cue the Wolfson juice comments. . .
The post you are quoting is just too dumb to even bother with.

Her first race with Tagg was too far? She was done early going many seconds slower than she ever had.

Does Wolfson juice though? How do you know?
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The post you are quoting is just too dumb to even bother with.

Her first race with Tagg was too far? She was done early going many seconds slower than she ever had.

Does Wolfson juice though? How do you know?
Lets just say...I dont think the Jackson's will be flying into Calder for a private purchase, the next time Wolfson gets a dog biscuit to run huge.
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I'm surprised to see a horse like Affirmatif running in the Hill Prince when he'd likely be favored in a G2, and for a lot more money, in two weeks.
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