Blago vs patterson

[gales0678]

All in the NY post today folks:

The Ny Gov has "egg" on his face this AM on this entire Senate pick , totally mishandled from the beginning , now getting an upstater who may not even win her party's primary in 2010

The post goes on to prasie Blago's qualities in picking a senator, something patterson turned into a circus

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

All in the NY post today folks:

The Ny Gov has "egg" on his face this AM on this entire Senate pick , totally mishandled from the beginning , now getting an upstater who may not even win her party's primary in 2010

The post goes on to prasie Blago's qualities in picking a senator, something patterson turned into a circus

your joking right??? They praised Blago for his qualities in picking a senator, which was a pay to play!?!?!? It must have been tongue in cheek.

I like the pick for NY.. The most conservative Democrat a Dem Gov can pick!!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

your joking right??? They praised Blago for his qualities in picking a senator, which was a pay to play!?!?!? It must have been tongue in cheek.

I like the pick for NY.. The most conservative Democrat a Dem Gov can pick!!

they were talking about after the pay for play was discovered and he had already been impeached , after that he picked 1 man stuck with him and didn't waver - paterson turned this into a 3 ring circus

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

they were talking about after the pay for play was discovered and he had already been impeached , after that he picked 1 man stuck with him and didn't waver - paterson turned this into a 3 ring circus

still.. with all the craziness surrounding Blago and the senate seat... that is a misinformed statement!!

Isnt everything that happens in New York a 3 ring circus??

[Kasept]

With all due respect Gales, you're way off base. And wow.. getting your information from a high quality, unbiased news gathering source, eh?

Patterson turned it into a circus? Really? How did he do that? By having to react to the Caroline Kennedy interest in the job? That was Patterson's doing? What do you expect in the Post anyway? Are the comments coming from that laughable P.O.S. hack Frederic Dieker?

Gillibrand, who is the Congresswoman representing the district in which I live, happens to be an inspired choice. She's a seasoned and aggressive campaigner who unseated a Republican congressman when she initially won her seat, and endured a big-spending, mud-slinging GOP scumbag attack in her most recent re-election. She has high approval and likability ratings, and gives Patterson Upstate capital for his own down the road election bid. She is conservative by Northeastern Democrat standards, believing in gun-owner rights for example, but is highly-respected by consumer and human rights watchdogs.

Please spare us the John Birch rhetoric and Fox News pablum.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

With all due respect Gales, you're way off base. And wow.. getting your information from a high quality, unbiased news gathering source, eh?

Patterson turned it into a circus? Really? How did he do that? By having to react to the Caroline Kennedy interest in the job? That was Patterson's doing? What do you expect in the Post anyway? Are the comments coming from that laughable P.O.S. hack Frederic Dieker?

Gillibrand, who is the Congresswoman representing the district in which I live, happens to be an inspired choice. She's a seasoned and aggressive campaigner who unseated a Republican congressman when she initially won her seat, and endured a big-spending, mud-slinging GOP scumbag attack in her most recent re-election. She has high approval and likability ratings, and gives Patterson Upstate capital for his own down the road election bid. She is conservative by Northeastern Democrat standards, believing in gun-owner rights for example, but is highly-respected by consumer and human rights watchdogs.

Please spare us the John Birch rhetoric and Fox News pablum.

Jacob Gersham wrote the article in the post

I was never for Kennedy from day 1

[philcski]

She's an excellent choice.


However, I am so f*cking tired of this upstate/downstate battle that everyone in the media continues to throw at us. I've lived in this state my whole life, minus the 4 years of college. I'll be 31 in a week, and I've lived 15 years in upstate NY and 12 in downstate NY. I don't have a preference or bias for either. Both have their positives and negatives in lifestyle, which is a topic for another day, but the fact of the matter is everyone in NYS faces the same issues regardless of whether your drivers license says Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, Plattsburgh, Greenwich, Kingston, Monticello, Scarsdale, Manhattan, Queens Village, or Southampton. Our public preparatory schools are terrible, SUNY (an excellent university system) does a poor job marketing itself out of state which limits graduates' viability outside of NY, budget decisions made in Albany seem continually rushed and slapped together to fix whatever leaks right now without regard for consequence (see the handling of Belleayre Mountain as a great example), many state project decisions reek of corruption (see slots-at-Aqueduct), violent crime (while significantly down in NYC) abounds at near-record levels, and civic pride is at an all time low.

Again, these are STATE issues, not locality issues. Nobody in Massachusetts talks about "Boston" and "not Boston", why do we do it here??? If that really is the prevailing sentiment, maybe New York should reconsider dividing into two. I would be very much against that, of course.

[gales0678]

steve - for years in nY we have had to live with a senator that had her own politcal ambitions ahead of the state

the funny thing is that being in the senate cost hillary the nomination because she couldn't talk away her yea vote on the Iraq authorization and the dems wanted anyone who did not vote for GB'w war

now we get someone who goes in as the most junior snenator and it's not even a given that in 2010 she will even win her own party's primary - thus having NY lose tenure in the senate again!

[philcski]

Originally Posted by gales0678

steve - for years in nY we have had to live with a senator that had her own politcal ambitions ahead of the state

the funny thing is that being in the senate cost hillary the nomination because she couldn't talk away her yea vote on the Iraq authorization and the dems wanted anyone who did not vote for GB'w war

now we get someone who goes in as the most junior snenator and it's not even a given that in 2010 she will even win her own party's primary - thus having NY lose tenure in the senate again!

Ask Obama if tenure determines quality. If tenure meant everything, West Virginia would get a huge share of the pie relative to their size... they don't.

[gales0678]

for every dollar West Va send in tax $ to wash they recive more than a dollar back , NY gets less than a dollar for every dollar sent

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I thought Patterson's choice was a good one. I know she's an "upstater", but shockingly there is a lot more to New York than just the city. I'm a bit biased because I know Gillibrand a bit, but I thought she has done a good job so far. And LOL at reading what the NY Post has to say. Might as well read the National Enquirer.

actually Hoss it may only be the Post and Daily News left for us down here soon

the ny times had to borrow at 14% 250mm from a mexican billionare who has made a fortune by monopolizing industires in mexico , will see if the times can get back in "the game"

[dellinger63]

Patterson is a goof? But not as goofy as Blago

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01252009...to__151951.htm

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by philcski

She's an excellent choice.


However, I am so f*cking tired of this upstate/downstate battle that everyone in the media continues to throw at us. I've lived in this state my whole life, minus the 4 years of college. I'll be 31 in a week, and I've lived 15 years in upstate NY and 12 in downstate NY. I don't have a preference or bias for either. Both have their positives and negatives in lifestyle, which is a topic for another day, but the fact of the matter is everyone in NYS faces the same issues regardless of whether your drivers license says Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, Plattsburgh, Greenwich, Kingston, Monticello, Scarsdale, Manhattan, Queens Village, or Southampton. Our public preparatory schools are terrible, SUNY (an excellent university system) does a poor job marketing itself out of state which limits graduates' viability outside of NY, budget decisions made in Albany seem continually rushed and slapped together to fix whatever leaks right now without regard for consequence (see the handling of Belleayre Mountain as a great example), many state project decisions reek of corruption (see slots-at-Aqueduct), violent crime (while significantly down in NYC) abounds at near-record levels, and civic pride is at an all time low.

Again, these are STATE issues, not locality issues. Nobody in Massachusetts talks about "Boston" and "not Boston", why do we do it here??? If that really is the prevailing sentiment, maybe New York should reconsider dividing into two. I would be very much against that, of course.

In Massachusetts, it's divided into eastern Mass and western Mass. Those in western Mass get pretty ticked off about paying for eastern Mass.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

She's an excellent choice.


However, I am so f*cking tired of this upstate/downstate battle that everyone in the media continues to throw at us. I've lived in this state my whole life, minus the 4 years of college. I'll be 31 in a week, and I've lived 15 years in upstate NY and 12 in downstate NY. I don't have a preference or bias for either. Both have their positives and negatives in lifestyle, which is a topic for another day, but the fact of the matter is everyone in NYS faces the same issues regardless of whether your drivers license says Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, Plattsburgh, Greenwich, Kingston, Monticello, Scarsdale, Manhattan, Queens Village, or Southampton. Our public preparatory schools are terrible, SUNY (an excellent university system) does a poor job marketing itself out of state which limits graduates' viability outside of NY, budget decisions made in Albany seem continually rushed and slapped together to fix whatever leaks right now without regard for consequence (see the handling of Belleayre Mountain as a great example), many state project decisions reek of corruption (see slots-at-Aqueduct), violent crime (while significantly down in NYC) abounds at near-record levels, and civic pride is at an all time low.

Again, these are STATE issues, not locality issues. Nobody in Massachusetts talks about "Boston" and "not Boston", why do we do it here??? If that really is the prevailing sentiment, maybe New York should reconsider dividing into two. I would be very much against that, of course.

Phil it is simple. NYC is ALWAYS democratically controlled, upstate is often Republican controlled, hence the divide.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gales0678

All in the NY post today folks:

The Ny Gov has "egg" on his face this AM on this entire Senate pick , totally mishandled from the beginning , now getting an upstater who may not even win her party's primary in 2010

The post goes on to prasie Blago's qualities in picking a senator, something patterson turned into a circus

i believe i read the other day that most appointees don't win their election for that seat when it comes time to run...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by philcski

Ask Obama if tenure determines quality. If tenure meant everything, West Virginia would get a huge share of the pie relative to their size... they don't.

i'm just wondering when they're going to name that state after byrd, since just about everything in it already has his moniker on the letterhead!

[gales0678]

Dems already gearing up to take on our new senator in '10

McCarthy from LI who is anti-gun has already announced she will look to take on the new democratic senator who is pro-gun

What will Cuomo do Gov or Senator ?

[dellinger63]

It sounds like Caroline K will run for either Gov or Senator and if I was Patterson I'd be looking over my shoulder (Tounge in Cheek) because we all know the Kennedy's have a history of killing and raping women. Surely blind men can't be too far behind.

[gales0678]

steve - don't think she will run for public office - just my opinion

[SOREHOOF]

She seems to use her own head. This pick makes me think Patterson uses his too. She's in my area too, and unlike Kasept I don't think the Gov. needs to think about upstate for one second to get re-elected. I think it was a good pick. She voted against the bailout and that showed intelligence and b@lls.