Disgruntled beyond repair

[Split Rock]

Hello fellow posters. I've decided to write this here because I really respect the opinions and ideas of the regulars that post out here. I visit three forums and am always amazed at what savvy, intelligent, well informed people that post here. Honestly, I never knew there were so many sharp people following this game.

I've been tracking horse racing relentlessly since 1986. I've 'capped so many races that if I was able to get an exact count, I would probably be embarrassed by the total. That being said, today is my last day as a horse bettor.

As some of you know, I grew up in Minnesota and have followed Canterbury racing since its inception. What has been going on at that track this year is public larceny. It appears to be one of, if not THE, most crooked tracks in the country. I won't bore people with the details but all I can say is if you visit my forum http://valentoraces.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=1 and read about what people are saying and doing, it will blow you away.

The same couple of trainers are winning every race regardless of the horse they send out. They are claiming off of people and moving the horse up 20 to 30 points. Just today, of the 7 races where the 3 leading trainers had a horse entered, they won 6 of them.

I am not trying to point any fingers at anyone but as a person who has invested hard earned money in the game, I feel I am entitled to state my observations of what appears to be illegitimate.

I would love to hear from others on this. I notice there are trainers winning 50% at tracks like Arlington Park, Mountaineer and Monmouth just to name a few. Is the game changing? Are these trainers winning at this high percentage because they are just that much better?

In any event, this industry mess has finally driven me from the game. Really never thought it would be possible as my love for the game has endured for a long time.

[SlewsMyHero]

If you're disgruntled with what's happening at Cby, why not shift your focus somewhere else? With simulcasting and ADW's, why be bound to one circuit, especially if it's no longer to your liking?

[2Hot4TV]

I have not owned a race horse since 1988 and the game has always had the changing trend of trainers (Vet) who's got the secret new trick to move horses up. If you are going to get in this game and think that hay, oats, water and workouts are going to get the job done, then let me suggest that you claim them high so you have a place to drop them.

When our barn was winning races the vet bill was sky high.

Look at Jack Van Berg who is a basic hay oats and water trainer and you cant tell me that all the horses he has had in the last 10 years were that bad for him to fall off the charts.

You have to consider who the new barn is before you make your wager and you do have the chioce to skip the race. I guess the point is that if money is involved we will have people finding an edge to win. Cheating or bending the rules, call it what you want , but if you plan on cashing some ticket you better add it to your handicapping program.

[Strategic Mission]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

I would love to hear from others on this. I notice there are trainers winning 50% at tracks like Arlington Park, Mountaineer and Monmouth just to name a few. Is the game changing? Are these trainers winning at this high percentage because they are just that much better?

.

Despite what people tell you, trainers can't move a horse up that much. Almost all trainers follow very similar routines. Trainers that win at freaky percentages have access to designer synthetic drugs that are not detectable. It is that simple. A horse can improve slightly from one trainer to another, but horses don't all of the sudden get faster. Just like 40 year old pitchers in baseball don't all of the sudden have career years and 40 year old swimmers start breaking records.

People want to believe that there aren't cheaters, especially if they root for the person or horse, but only a person that lacks reason can believe these trainers are doing it because they are exceptional horseman.

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

Despite what people tell you, trainers can't move a horse up that much. Almost all trainers follow very similar routines. Trainers that win at freaky percentages have access to designer synthetic drugs that are not detectable. It is that simple. A horse can improve slightly from one trainer to another, but horses don't all of the sudden get faster. Just like 40 year old pitchers in baseball don't all of the sudden have career years and 40 year old swimmers start breaking records.

People want to believe that there aren't cheaters, especially if they root for the person or horse, but only a person that lacks reason can believe these trainers are doing it because they are exceptional horseman.

Spot on. I'm close friends with Oscar Barreras' son and grandson and to this day they say OSB was legit, never cheated or never had a positive..

[sdjcom]

There has always been some hanky panky doings where money is involved, however the small tracks have increased the number of small stables because of slot money and state added money for state -breds. These small time operators days are numbered, because the reasons are to numerous to state here, a couple are vet bills , and fuel to trailer horses around from local barns to track. I predict a number of tracks will closed in the next five years if no slots and the new michigan track will have problems getting quality horses.
Look at mountaineer's purse structure, one of the highest in country for that level of races, yet still second rate horses.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Spot on. I'm close friends with Oscar Barreras' son and grandson and to this day they say OSB was legit, never cheated or never had a positive..

Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens say they didn't cheat either.

[Rudeboyelvis]

I've never spent a dime at Cby and never will.
Two of the most notorious cheaters in the game are allowed to ply their corruption at will, overtly stealing money from hard working, honest horsemen and owners without any consequence. In fact they get embraced by the track, the commission and the hbpa because they fill races, plain and simple. In return that keeps them all in business therefore everyone in a position of power has a convenient excuse as to why nothing is done about it.

I simply am not willing to throw everything I know about handicapping out the window to chase underlays because I need to expect that they will miraculously move up 20+ points first off the claim when in the care of these two criminals for 10 days. It is an absolute joke.

[Heels1989]

marion jones too. oh wait....

[TheSpyder]

I cheeted in my seneior speeling class.

I em so soryy.

Spiedder

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Hello fellow posters. I've decided to write this here because I really respect the opinions and ideas of the regulars that post out here. I visit three forums and am always amazed at what savvy, intelligent, well informed people that post here. Honestly, I never knew there were so many sharp people following this game.

I've been tracking horse racing relentlessly since 1986. I've 'capped so many races that if I was able to get an exact count, I would probably be embarrassed by the total. That being said, today is my last day as a horse bettor.

As some of you know, I grew up in Minnesota and have followed Canterbury racing since its inception. What has been going on at that track this year is public larceny. It appears to be one of, if not THE, most crooked tracks in the country. I won't bore people with the details but all I can say is if you visit my forum http://valentoraces.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=1 and read about what people are saying and doing, it will blow you away.

The same couple of trainers are winning every race regardless of the horse they send out. They are claiming off of people and moving the horse up 20 to 30 points. Just today, of the 7 races where the 3 leading trainers had a horse entered, they won 6 of them.

I am not trying to point any fingers at anyone but as a person who has invested hard earned money in the game, I feel I am entitled to state my observations of what appears to be illegitimate.

I would love to hear from others on this. I notice there are trainers winning 50% at tracks like Arlington Park, Mountaineer and Monmouth just to name a few. Is the game changing? Are these trainers winning at this high percentage because they are just that much better?

In any event, this industry mess has finally driven me from the game. Really never thought it would be possible as my love for the game has endured for a long time.

Are you really sure today is your last day? What will you do instead? Just watch and not bet?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

Are you really sure today is your last day? What will you do instead? Just watch and not bet?

Let's hope he doesn't work for the Post Office.....

[herkhorse]

There's always the dog track...oh wait, the same trainers win those races too.

[Bigsmc]

Seems a little drastic to quit.

If I couldn't find ways to make money at my home track, I would still go to watch the live racing and just wager my money on other tracks. That is the beauty of simulcasting, you actually have a choice as to where you want to spend your money.

[cowgirlintexas]

This guys been singing the same tune for the past year... yawn. Way I see it is if you don't like something stop doing it. Don't sit there and keep doing it and then complaining about it. We all agree that this sport is in some need of some pretty drastic changes if it is to survive, but we all love it and most of us will go down with the sinking ship. Just sayin'

[timmgirvan]

...hasn't heard of Los Alamitios in SoCal