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![]() There is an interesting discussion taking place about possible cheating with illegal drugs and trainers defending themselves.
Click http://www.valentoraces.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=85 if you want to chime in. |
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![]() Thanks for posting the link. Racing certainly needs drug standards, certified labs for testing, and stiff punishment for offenders. Hopefully we are getting closer to a level, safe, playing field across the country.
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![]() I've always said that I refuse to come to a conclusion on this topic until I've heard (or at least read) words that may or may not be from Jamie Ness.
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![]() I almost have to get a log on to start **** with Ness.
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I'd like to believe his hard work, reading the form, watching replays and training method are the keys to his success, but as you said, the instant move-ups can't possibly be "training methods". Ask Cannon how much a horse can be "trained" in the 7-14 days after a claim. Then you get the move up in class and bam, a easy winner. |
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![]() Another question for Chuck:
How proprietary are training methods, are there really legitimate "secret" things some trainers do that others know nothing about? In other words, why can't a guy who is getting ridiculous results, and being accused of nefarious methods, just come out and say, this is what I do as far as training methods are concerned? Because, it would seem to me, that this would be the best way to answer the critics, with specific, concrete examples of what is being done with individual horses. |
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I'm not sure why these guys feel the need to speak out and proclaim their innocence. When they do speak on their own behalf, they just sound silly. Just shut up and keep winning 50% of your races until the test man catches up to you. |
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1) Freeze some samples? 2) If so, were those samples tested? 3) If yes, what were the results? |
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2) Don't know 3) Don't know I would guess not since they've been closed for two months and there has been no word yet. |
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![]() I dont know if a racetrack can "freeze" samples because they arent the ones doing the testing, the state of Florida is. Though the Tampa is proactive on many fronts i dont know if they are prepared or even able to do this. And in the area of freezing samples, it is not as easy as it sounds because they still have to know what they are looking for in order to find it.
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![]() Question for anyone:
What are the testing procedures for tracks like Belmont, Hollywood, Churchill versus tracks like Tampa, Canterbury, Penn National? |
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Ness went on the other forum and gave an explanation for his success. Okay, until proven otherwise, it is what it is. Just maybe, the man is a very good trainer. I don't know the man, nor anyone who is affliated with him, but his record speaks for itself. I hope he does respond to your post on the other forum, but in reality, I don't know what he could say that would cause you to have a different opinion of him. |
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So this team decided to go overboard proactively in testing to try and insure the sponsors would be safe entrusting them to police themselves. The interesting point of the story was that the first thing they determined was there would be no way to effectively detect every drug, much less designer drugs and desinger masking agents, so rather they test overall blood chemistry and note any major changes in the chemical makeup of the individual cyclist - anything that would signal a change in chemisrty that improved performance would be considered a positive, even though they have no idea what they are positive for |