Discreet Treasure

The Indomitable DrugS · #1 07-05-2008, 02:15 PM

Nice looking debut win at Belmont today for a half sibling to the freakisly talented Discreet Cat.

Came from well off the pace to win by about 12 easy lengths.

ateamstupid · #2 07-05-2008, 02:20 PM

Half to Discreet Cat and Pretty Wild crushed his opponents in his debut today at Belmont. The time was nothing spectacular and he got a hot pace to run into, but he broke badly, appeared to be a little green, yet won by double digits and looked like he could've done three more laps around the track.

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 07-05-2008, 02:23 PM

I'd like to see what he has on turf.

Scav · #4 07-05-2008, 02:24 PM

I think he was acting up in the paddock pretty bad also....Who are the connections??

KirisClown · #5 07-05-2008, 02:27 PM

No surprise that he enjoyed the off going...

pgiaco · #6 07-05-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

I think he was acting up in the paddock pretty bad also....Who are the connections??

Robsham/Hough. I think Sheikh Mo has them on speed dial.

ateamstupid · #7 07-05-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

I think he was acting up in the paddock pretty bad also....Who are the connections??

Same ones that bred and owned Discreet Cat before he was sold.

ArlJim78 · #8 07-05-2008, 02:55 PM

looks like there'll be a high demand for tube socks tonight.

#9 07-05-2008, 03:05 PM

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looks like there'll be a high demand for tube socks tonight.

the_fat_man · #10 07-05-2008, 03:15 PM

And, MORE IMPORTANTLY, he still has his NUTS. Which comes 1st: they sell him or Hough gelds him?

10 pnt move up · #11 07-05-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

No surprise that he enjoyed the off going...

I heard his mom hate the slop

10 pnt move up · #12 07-05-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

No surprise that he enjoyed the off going...

I told you the story about his mom before the alabama, right?

blackthroatedwind · #13 07-05-2008, 09:58 PM

I will be surprised to see this horse win another race on the dirt provided the track is fast. If anything, he will prove a turf horse. First of all, you have to assume that a half to Discreet Cat would not have been entered on the turf for its debut if the connections really felt he was a dirt horse. Also, look at him, he's a grey which probably means he takes after his sire, El Prado, more than his dam which makes him more likely to be a turf horse.

I hope this horse makes his second start on the dirt at Saratoga, and the track is dry, so I can bet against him with confidence.

#14 07-05-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I will be surprised to see this horse win another race on the dirt provided the track is fast. If anything, he will prove a turf horse. First of all, you have to assume that a half to Discreet Cat would not have been entered on the turf for its debut if the connections really felt he was a dirt horse. Also, look at him, he's a grey which probably means he takes after his sire, El Prado, more than his dam which makes him more likely to be a turf horse.

I hope this horse makes his second start on the dirt at Saratoga, and the track is dry, so I can bet against him with confidence.

I completely dont get the bolded.
Need some help. Because he is the same color as his sire,
he must be more like his sire in other ways also?

Is that what this means?

If so, it is horribly wrong, even with the probably.

The Indomitable DrugS · #15 07-06-2008, 06:09 AM

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Also, look at him, he's a grey which probably means he takes after his sire, El Prado, more than his dam which makes him more likely to be a turf horse.

Did you have to spoil your valid points with a silly comment like that?

The Indomitable DrugS · #16 07-06-2008, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

No surprise that he enjoyed the off going...

Why, was his mom a grey?

I assume you must mean the old "bet a grey on a rainy day" angle.

blackthroatedwind · #17 07-06-2008, 06:47 AM

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Did you have to spoil your valid points with a silly comment like that?

Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it silly.

The Indomitable DrugS · #18 07-06-2008, 06:52 AM

Even the dosage index people will mock you on this one.

Please link me to someone who does understand it - and let me read their explanation and evidence.

blackthroatedwind · #19 07-06-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Even the dosage index people will mock you on this one.

Please link me to someone who does understand it - and let me read their explanation and evidence.

Plenty of people will agree with what I posted, which doesn't make it right, but I guess I have to admit that your position is strengthened by the support from one of the most clueless posters on this site.

The Indomitable DrugS · #20 07-06-2008, 07:19 AM

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Plenty of people will agree with what I posted, which doesn't making it right, but I guess I have to admit that your position is strengthened by the support from one of the most clueless posters on this site.

I couldn't care less who agrees or disagrees.

I've been around way too long and looked at way too many horses and pedigrees to buy into something like that - and I'm shocked beyond belief you seem to buy into it to some extent.

The examples could go on for hundreds of pages.

Look at a horse like Kip Deville - who's like the consensus top turf horse in the land right now. He's a Roan.

KD's sire Kipling is a bay and his dam Klondike Kaytie is a roan.

He took after his dam in color. She was 17-for-47 lifetime in dirt sprints, 3-for-13 lifetime in dirt routes, and never once hit the board in 3 career turf starts. Her figures were much better on dirt - and her siblings all failed in their turf races.

He didn't take after his sires color - but his sire was 2-for-5 on turf, 3-for-22 on dirt, and bred for turf on top and bottom.