War for our dollars

[cmorioles]

As a bettor, which group should I support, the tracks or the horsemen?

[Cannon Shell]

You do understand some of these disputes are track versus track?

[the_fat_man]

well, some of the horsemen offer FREE PPs for races their horses are entered

wtf has any track given me for free?

there's your answer

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

well, some of the horsemen offer FREE PPs for races their horses are entered

wtf has any track given me for free?

there's your answer

I would imagine they only can do with with permission from Equibase, which I though is run by the tracks. I could be wrong though, I've never really bothered to learn the whole Equibase situation.

[the_fat_man]

No doubt they pay EQUIBASE (or Brisnet).

But at least they realize something the tracks don't.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You do understand some of these disputes are track versus track?

Yes, but I'm talking about the specific one where the horsemen want an additional cut of the ADW wagered dollars.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yes, but I'm talking about the specific one where the horsemen want an additional cut of the ADW wagered dollars.

You may be better off siding with the tracks because if they lose this dispute, they will surely raise takeout and blame the horsemen.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You may be better off siding with the tracks because if they lose this dispute, they will surely raise takeout and blame the horsemen.

You may be right, I don't know. Do horsemen ever fight against takeout increases? I don't think I've seen a horsemen's group ever take that stand. I'm not trying to pick on either side and don't want to start now. One thing I'm certain of is that any takeout increases above today's already ridiculous levels will doom the sport.

Currently, I can get rebates because of the ADW pricing. Now, I understand the tracks are trying to end that by basically cutting out the middle man with companies like Xpress Bet and Twin Spires. Instead, they want to give out toasters and XBox games. So I'm certainly no fan of that. But I also realize that if the pricing changes, I'm out that way as well.

My thinking, and I could be wrong, is that if you price rebates out of the equation, handle is going to shrink big time. A lot of players will leave or bet a lot less.

This is worse than trying to watch a Yankees/Red Sox baseball game as an Oriole fan.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You may be right, I don't know. Do horsemen ever fight against takeout increases? I don't think I've seen a horsemen's group ever take that stand. I'm not trying to pick on either side and don't want to start now. One thing I'm certain of is that any takeout increases above today's already ridiculous levels will doom the sport.

Currently, I can get rebates because of the ADW pricing. Now, I understand the tracks are trying to end that by basically cutting out the middle man with companies like Xpress Bet and Twin Spires. Instead, they want to give out toasters and XBox games. So I'm certainly no fan of that. But I also realize that if the pricing changes, I'm out that way as well.

My thinking, and I could be wrong, is that if you price rebates out of the equation, handle is going to shrink big time. A lot of players will leave or bet a lot less.

This is worse than trying to watch a Yankees/Red Sox baseball game as an Oriole fan.

I dont know either. For years there was tons of money tied to rebates that was going off shore anyway.