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Old 06-28-2007, 10:29 AM
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Default Asmussen article-Good Reading!

You gotta read this
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2007-0...s/dark-horse/1
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Old 06-28-2007, 10:42 AM
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Wow, I don't know what to think of that -- but it was a good read either way.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:01 AM
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"He did admit that he had ordered two other drugs that were illegal on race day—one to increase endurance and another to reduce bleeding in the lungs. The horse had also been given Lasix, a legal anti-bleeding medication that most horses run on. Perhaps the vets had made a mistake, injecting mepivacaine when they meant to administer another drug."

So what he is trying to tell us....

He is a cheat, but not as big a cheat as we want to make him out to be...

What a joke...


Then the last quote...

"People who say I'm a cheater? Well, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard," he says. "On average, mine cost a 100 [thousand], yours cost 10 [thousand], and you're wondering why I'm beating you? It ain't any kind of drugs or anything else. The horses are just faster."

What an ass...
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:01 AM
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Wow, I don't know what to think of that -- but it was a good read either way.
My exact feelings.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:13 AM
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I agree, good reading and it brings up good points about uniform rules @ all tracks and nat'l commisioner. A nat'l board w/ members from the various assoc. (3ea. from west,east coasts and midwest + a commish) to oversee the rules and regulations.??
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:16 AM
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:43 AM
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Thanks for posting that.

I am sorry that the writer, who does an overall terrific job, is blinded by an affection for Assmussen that causes him to write garbage like this....


" The suspension made headlines here and there but hardly made a splash beyond the horse racing world. Even among fairly knowledgeable race fans, Asmussen's rap as a cheater was mostly unknown. "

and also caused him to misinterpret Matt Hegarty's line about how much of a drug was given when he wrote....


" Anyone who knows him knows he would never give a horse 750 times the legal limit of a drug banned on race day, not with so much to lose and so little to gain "

as the the legal limit is a trace amount and 750 times is merely the theoretical necessary dosage. However, there is far more good than bad in the article.

I was also bothered by this ridiculous assertion regarding the mepivocaine positive....


" A groom testified that he had left the horse alone for eight to nine minutes, leaving the door open for sabotage. Considering that there is no security or video cameras at Evangeline Downs, and the total domination Asmussen has had there, sabotage is a possibility, says Steven Barker, the lab director on the case. "


Are we to actually believe that someone sabotaged this horse by properly injecting mepovocaine into his joint? Personally, I would hypothesize that Assmussen claimed he ordered the illegal drugs that he admitted because their penalties were far less severe than mepivocaine, but I'm just paranoid that way. Either way, he was clearly, and admittedly, guilty of a severe violation of the rules. To me, at least, that stands above everything else.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:01 PM
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Good read. But the writer writes as if Asmussen can turn water into wine.

He's all over the place with his over-praise of the guy.

And that last quote from Asmussen is just pure smarm.

Go back to New Mexico and win the Borderland Derby again.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:30 PM
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I saw him [again] at Lone Star on Friday. While I appreciate the fact that he has no problem walking around the grandstand like every other Joe, he looks and acts miserable all the time. Everybody "whispers 'is that Steve Asmussen'" because he walks around looking like a criminal constantly checking over his shoulder, completely unapproachable.

I tried to be objective in reading this, despite my dislike of him and his "training practices". While overall a good read, a line I have an issue with:

The suspension made headlines here and there but hardly made a splash beyond the horse racing world. Even among fairly knowledgeable race fans, Asmussen's rap as a cheater was mostly unknown.

Are you KIDDING ME??? This guy has been known as one of the biggest cheats in the history of the game by even the once a month fan!!! Let's not pull the wool over our eyes!
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:31 PM
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OK..In no particular order..

1) What rag paper publishes what should be either a puff piece on the trainer or a serious look at doping in horses....in the same article!! You can't have it both ways.

2) My 9 year old daughter has written better papers about family vacations than this sap of a journalist. The story bounces all over, uses ridiculous cliches and metaphors and makes no attempt to present any opposing view points.

3) Does this paper have an editor? It's at least 5 pages too long...

4) The preface by the author should have been:
"I know nothing about horse racing but think Steve Asmussen is cute so here goes"
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:37 PM
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"He did admit that he had ordered two other drugs that were illegal on race day—one to increase endurance and another to reduce bleeding in the lungs. The horse had also been given Lasix, a legal anti-bleeding medication that most horses run on. Perhaps the vets had made a mistake, injecting mepivacaine when they meant to administer another drug."

So what he is trying to tell us....

He is a cheat, but not as big a cheat as we want to make him out to be...

What a joke...


Then the last quote...

"People who say I'm a cheater? Well, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard," he says. "On average, mine cost a 100 [thousand], yours cost 10 [thousand], and you're wondering why I'm beating you? It ain't any kind of drugs or anything else. The horses are just faster."

What an ass...
I can't stand this line. Vets are paid (handsomely) to NOT make mistakes. Might as well have the groom do it for much less money if they're injecting the wrong drugs.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:43 PM
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I can't stand this line. Vets are paid (handsomely) to NOT make mistakes. Might as well have the groom do it for much less money if they're injecting the wrong drugs.
While I don't trust the entire situation, doctors are paid handsomely as well and they still make mistakes.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:46 PM
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It's really shameful that forum members continue to mecilessly berate and villify a hard working and super sucessful guy. Kudo's to the author of the article for pointing out the obvious. Assmussen is good at what he does. The proof is in the quality of clientele that support him and the results that he gets with the horses that they provide him with.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:51 PM
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It's really shameful that forum members continue to mecilessly berate and villify a hard working and super sucessful guy. Kudo's to the author of the article for pointing out the obvious. Assmussen is good at what he does. The proof is in the quality of clientele that support him and the results that he gets with the horses that they provide him with.
If you like Asmussen..certainly your right..then you should dislike the article even more. It's just not good journalism and is embarrassing to SA because it's so biased and makes him look lame with his "excuses".
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:55 PM
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It's really shameful that forum members continue to mecilessly berate and villify a hard working and super sucessful guy. Kudo's to the author of the article for pointing out the obvious. Assmussen is good at what he does. The proof is in the quality of clientele that support him and the results that he gets with the horses that they provide him with.
What is truely shameful is Asmussen's behavior, and hypocritical mien.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:58 PM
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It's really shameful that forum members continue to mecilessly berate and villify a hard working and super sucessful guy. Kudo's to the author of the article for pointing out the obvious. Assmussen is good at what he does. The proof is in the quality of clientele that support him and the results that he gets with the horses that they provide him with.
Come on man, seriously. The guy is a CHEAT. I'm sure he works hard, but 22 (registered and charged...) positives unfortunately trumps the respect gained for his hard work.

By the way, his biggest client is his BROTHER.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:59 PM
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It's really shameful that forum members continue to mecilessly berate and villify a hard working and super sucessful guy. Kudo's to the author of the article for pointing out the obvious. Assmussen is good at what he does. The proof is in the quality of clientele that support him and the results that he gets with the horses that they provide him with.
i think i'm going to puke.

about 22 times.
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While I don't trust the entire situation, doctors are paid handsomely as well and they still make mistakes.
wonder how many times a doc can screw up before he loses his license?
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Come on man, seriously. The guy is a CHEAT. I'm sure he works hard, but 22 (registered and charged...) positives unfortunately trumps the respect gained for his hard work.

By the way, his biggest client is his BROTHER.
Are the Heiligbrodt's related to him?
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Are the Heiligbrodt's related to him?
I'm pretty sure his brother is part of their stable (as well as running his own stable of mostly homebreds).
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