Tiago derby gallop out

ninetoone · #1 06-07-2007, 09:33 AM

Is there a video that shows it well? Did anyone see it in person & if so, was it really that impressive? Thanks in advance...

10 pnt move up · #2 06-07-2007, 09:36 AM

Its overblow I can tell you that,

I will share what Mike told me after the race and that was he was never out of horse at any point but the horse just did not want to mix it up in the traffic, the horse wants to be clear of other horses unlike street sense who seems to just accelerate through traffic. The gallop out was just a illusion of other horses on respirators and the other being pulled up. If he wins its because he has matured and improves to make up that 7-8 beyer points he is shy of.

Scav · #3 06-07-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Its overblow I can tell you that,

I will share what Mike told me after the race and that was he was never out of horse at any point but the horse just did not want to mix it up in the traffic, the horse wants to be clear of other horses unlike street sense who seems to just accelerate through traffic. The gallop out was just a illusion of other horses on respirators and the other being pulled up. If he wins its because he has matured and improves to make up that 7-8 beyer points he is shy of.

1) Mike who

2) TG wise, he needs to improve about 4 points, or 10 lengths, into Curlin, now if Curlin regresses and Tiago moves forward, like he should, then he has a shot

The Indomitable DrugS · #4 06-07-2007, 09:48 AM

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1) Mike who

Tyson

Scav · #5 06-07-2007, 09:48 AM

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Tyson

Spinks?
Johnson?
Jordan?

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 06-07-2007, 09:49 AM

Can I place a bet on Smith.....

Just a hunch

2 Dollar Bill · #7 06-07-2007, 01:45 PM

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Tyson

Chicken ?

10 pnt move up · #8 06-07-2007, 10:30 AM

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2) TG wise, he needs to improve about 4 points, or 10 lengths, into Curlin, now if Curlin regresses and Tiago moves forward, like he should, then he has a shot

But he does not have to be right according to TG, Curlin almost assuredly will "Bounce" using their logic back to a slower number, same with Hard Spun, Tiago should only have to improve slightly using TG. It would not surprise me if he is their pick given the Bounce logic?

Scav · #9 06-07-2007, 10:33 AM

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But he does not have to be right according to TG, Curlin almost assuredly will "Bounce" using their logic back to a slower number, same with Hard Spun, Tiago should only have to improve slightly using TG. It would not surprise me if he is their pick given the Bounce logic?

He is an 'exotic' use according to TG.

I think Curlin has to move back and both Slew's Tizzy and Tiago are horses that are going to move forward. How forward, I don't know, but I think the value is there on them to invest in the notion of one of them freaking....

SundayStar · #10 06-07-2007, 10:53 AM

to me, the "gallop out" is one of the most overrated handicapping angles. who cares what they do after the race is over?

but............ i do like tiago to hit the board

Bobby Fischer · #11 06-07-2007, 10:54 AM

After three strides past the wire I wouldn't get very hyped about what happens other than to view it as a positive sign that the horse wasn't falling apart.

SniperSB23 · #12 06-07-2007, 10:57 AM

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He is an 'exotic' use according to TG.

I think Curlin has to move back and both Slew's Tizzy and Tiago are horses that are going to move forward. How forward, I don't know, but I think the value is there on them to invest in the notion of one of them freaking....

There is no way Slew's Tizzy moves forward here at 12 furlongs. This horse has started fast and decelerated the whole way in each of his past two races. Not the running style for the Belmont.

rocknrowl · #13 06-07-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Its overblow I can tell you that,

I will share what Mike told me after the race and that was he was never out of horse at any point but the horse just did not want to mix it up in the traffic, the horse wants to be clear of other horses unlike street sense who seems to just accelerate through traffic. The gallop out was just a illusion of other horses on respirators and the other being pulled up. If he wins its because he has matured and improves to make up that 7-8 beyer points he is shy of.

That quote from Mike Smith leads me to believe he has a great chance to at least hit the board in the Belmont. The field is much smaller so he shouldn't have to mix it up with any other horses in traffic and it sounds like the distance should be no problem for him.

Buffymommy · #14 06-07-2007, 09:48 AM

I kinda like Tiago to be in the money here. Although no I don't think he will win, but he is the horse I am scared of in this race. I can't write him off but I can't go with him either.

Buffymommy · #15 06-07-2007, 11:22 AM

As one who likes Slew's Tizzy, here is my thoughts on him. He is a big horse. Over 17 hands. He is growing into himself. He is improving at the right time. Is he good enough? I don't know. We shall see on Saturday.

I wouldn't throw him out.

The same can be said for Tiago. He is a very lightly raced horse who is coming in off five weeks rest.

Buffymommy · #16 06-07-2007, 11:40 AM

This is what Tizzy is going to be saying to the others!