Canterbury and Arapahoe Park

scanman · #1 06-07-2007, 08:49 AM

This weekend, I'm heading out to Canterbury (Sat) and Arapahoe Park (Sun). Are there any DTers out there that have any "perils of wisdom" concerning betting, the tracks, or other interesting aspects of the Minneapolis or Denver area.

lemoncrush · #2 06-07-2007, 09:31 AM

I'll be at Canterbury on Saturday.
Honestly, I haven't been out there enough this year to call out any track bias, but it definitely favors speed.

scanman · #3 06-07-2007, 09:36 AM

Lemoncrush,

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind when I start 'capping this afternoon.

lemoncrush · #4 06-07-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by scanman

Lemoncrush,

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind when I start 'capping this afternoon.

Also, keep in mind that they rarely run on good or yielding turf. It's borderline ridiculous how they baby their turf course. There's showers expected later today and tonight so be prepared for them to possibly be off the turf if the showers continue into tomorrow.

Hoof Hearted · #5 06-07-2007, 10:12 AM

There is a blog on the Canterbury website where there is a weekend racing recap that has comments on pace and post biases. There is also a worksheet on trainer win percentages in different months. Well worth checking out.

Hoof Hearted · #6 06-07-2007, 10:14 AM

Sorry, here's the link

http://www.canterburypark.com/blog.aspx

Left Bank · #7 06-07-2007, 10:26 AM

Anything with Seth Martinez/Mac Robertson WILL BE AN UNDERLAY!!!! But they most likely will be the stickout in the race and most likely will win.
Paul Nolan is Jamie Ness' go to guy,and are usually underlaid also,but sometimes you will get a price if there is a Robertson horse in the race.Bring earplugs to block out the idiot on the roof{Paul Allen}He is annoying,really,and don't bet anything he likes.And remember,Speed rules at CBY.

scanman · #8 06-07-2007, 10:44 AM

Thanks to all for some excellent information.

Lemoncrush, I see that there are two grass races, so I'll keep the weather in mind.

Hoof Hearted, I'll give the blog a check in a little while.

Kimmeaster, will pack the ear plugs and keep an eye out for the speed.

If the track comes up sloppy/muddy, will there by any bias? Speed v closers? Rail v Middle?

Left Bank · #9 06-07-2007, 12:06 PM

If it is sloppy or muddy,it is usually the rail,BUT,a lot of them win in the middle too.To determine which,pay attention to the quarter horse races.They have been running these races first in the card,and this will usually help you figure out how the middle of the track is doing.

scanman · #10 06-07-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

If it is sloppy or muddy,it is usually the rail,BUT,a lot of them win in the middle too.To determine which,pay attention to the quarter horse races.They have been running these races first in the card,and this will usually help you figure out how the middle of the track is doing.

Good tip. Checked with Equibase and unfortunately, the Quarters are scheduled to be run at the end of the card.

Left Bank · #11 06-07-2007, 12:53 PM

OOPS,I was looking at tonight's lineup{thur}In that case,I would just stick with the speedballs.That track gets like lightning

Honu · #12 06-07-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by scanman

This weekend, I'm heading out to Canterbury (Sat) and Arapahoe Park (Sun). Are there any DTers out there that have any "perils of wisdom" concerning betting, the tracks, or other interesting aspects of the Minneapolis or Denver area.

This is the second weekend in Denver right ? I would bet horses that have speed or horses that havent had too long in between races . Also if a horse is shipping in and has worked within the last few days before it runs and hasnt ran there once I would stay away from it , the altitude seems to hit them worse if they work them before running them if they havent had an out there. I just know this because I used to ride there and the first few weekends speed holds because the others get tired from chasing them . GOOD LUCK.

scanman · #13 06-07-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

This is the second weekend in Denver right ? I would bet horses that have speed or horses that havent had too long in between races . Also if a horse is shipping in and has worked within the last few days before it runs and hasnt ran there once I would stay away from it , the altitude seems to hit them worse if they work them before running them if they havent had an out there. I just know this because I used to ride there and the first few weekends speed holds because the others get tired from chasing them . GOOD LUCK.

Honu,

Great insight, especially concerning the altitude and shippers. Glad to get some guidance on Arapahoe. Yes, it is the second weekend. Any sharp trainers or riders I should keep my eye on?

Honu · #14 06-07-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by scanman

Honu,

Great insight, especially concerning the altitude and shippers. Glad to get some guidance on Arapahoe. Yes, it is the second weekend. Any sharp trainers or riders I should keep my eye on?

Jockeys: I dont know if these guys are still there but , O.A Martinez , Carl Kutz are 2 pretty good riders .
Trainers: Temple Rushton , Jon Arnett, Kenneth Gleason , Bill Brownlee

pmayjr · #15 06-07-2007, 05:30 PM

I think due to the Tampa scandal, I've been getting some nice prices on Derek Bell horses at Canterbury. I don't remember Bell riding this many longshots at Canterbury ever.

I'm 50/50 on going to the CBY this weekend, because I can't get a table. Eventhough there's no quest for the Triple Crown, it's still gonna be hella busy on Saturday.

scanman · #16 06-07-2007, 07:53 PM

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I think due to the Tampa scandal, I've been getting some nice prices on Derek Bell horses at Canterbury. I don't remember Bell riding this many longshots at Canterbury ever.

I'm 50/50 on going to the CBY this weekend, because I can't get a table. Eventhough there's no quest for the Triple Crown, it's still gonna be hella busy on Saturday.

Yeah, I followed Derek at Tampa up until they banned him. He has four mounts on Saturday, 2 with McLean Robertson and 2 with Bernell Rhone. All 4 look to be pretty live. I'm sure I'll be using him. Hopefully, the prices will be good.

Didn't give much thought to it being busy, despite the Belmont. Should I arrive early and where would be a good place to "set up shop"?

lemoncrush · #17 06-07-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scanman

Yeah, I followed Derek at Tampa up until they banned him. He has four mounts on Saturday, 2 with McLean Robertson and 2 with Bernell Rhone. All 4 look to be pretty live. I'm sure I'll be using him. Hopefully, the prices will be good.

Didn't give much thought to it being busy, despite the Belmont. Should I arrive early and where would be a good place to "set up shop"?

You should be Ok if you're going to play other tracks.
Since the post is moved back to 4PM, if you get their earlier in the day...say, by 2:00 you'll have no problem finding a good spot somewhere.

scanman · #18 06-07-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

You should be Ok if you're going to play other tracks.
Since the post is moved back to 4PM, if you get their earlier in the day...say, by 2:00 you'll have no problem finding a good spot somewhere.

Going to pretty much focus on Canterbury. Although, I might peek in on Lethbridge and Lincoln. Interesting that Canterbury picks up their signal. Those are tracks that I've never seen races from.

pmayjr · #19 06-07-2007, 08:38 PM

Lemon and Scan,

Unfortunately I'm not sure how true that is. I called yesterday (Wednesday) to reserve a table ANYWHERE up on the 3rd floor (clubhouse/restaurant level). EVERYTHING IS BOOKED.

I thought since they moved back the post time to 4PM, that would make things easier, but I guess the Belmont is a big enough deal even without Street Sense. A place you can try for (and probably what I will do) is try for the 2nd floor. There is some tables set up (that's first come, first serve, no reservations) with big screens simulcasting at least the "major tracks" that day.

I will try to go up to the 3rd floor anyway to see if anyone has cancelled out on their seat, but otherwise we might be S.O.L. If either of you wanna pm me your contact info, if I find something we could share a table???? At least the weather will be nice out, so if you just gotta sit outside and watch the races out there.... so be it.

scanman · #20 06-08-2007, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr

Lemon and Scan,

Unfortunately I'm not sure how true that is. I called yesterday (Wednesday) to reserve a table ANYWHERE up on the 3rd floor (clubhouse/restaurant level). EVERYTHING IS BOOKED.

I thought since they moved back the post time to 4PM, that would make things easier, but I guess the Belmont is a big enough deal even without Street Sense. A place you can try for (and probably what I will do) is try for the 2nd floor. There is some tables set up (that's first come, first serve, no reservations) with big screens simulcasting at least the "major tracks" that day.

I will try to go up to the 3rd floor anyway to see if anyone has cancelled out on their seat, but otherwise we might be S.O.L. If either of you wanna pm me your contact info, if I find something we could share a table???? At least the weather will be nice out, so if you just gotta sit outside and watch the races out there.... so be it.

Yeah, it would be nice to meet you guys. Definitely would be up to sharing a table with the Canterbury DTers. I'll send you my contact number later today. Hopefully Lemoncrush, Hoof Hearted and Kimmeaster will be able to join us.