Two of three are going to the Belmont

packerbacker7964 · #1 05-21-2007, 06:34 PM

www.drf.com said Curlin and Hard Spun are going to run in the last of Triple Crown Race. I thought Hard Spun would sit it out but Jones say's he's in I guess.

skippy3481 · #2 05-21-2007, 06:54 PM

Hard spun does not need to be stretched out any farther, if anything a reduction in distance would do wonders for this horse. He could be a very very very good miler.

ateamstupid · #3 05-21-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by skippy3481

Hard spun does not need to be stretched out any farther, if anything a reduction in distance would do wonders for this horse. He could be a very very very good miler.

That's nonsense. He's by freaking Danzig. Just because a horse tired after setting the pace in the Derby, then tired after a premature move in the Preakness, that doesn't mean he can't get 12 furlongs. I think it's a good move by Jones, he just has to get him to relax a little.

hockey2315 · #4 05-21-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's nonsense. He's by freaking Danzig. Just because a horse tired after setting the pace in the Derby, then tired after a premature move in the Preakness, that doesn't mean he can't get 12 furlongs. I think it's a good move by Jones, he just has to get him to relax a little.

I agree with you that he can get 12F but I think it has more to do with his Dam's side than his daddy. . .

ArlJim78 · #5 05-21-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's nonsense. He's by freaking Danzig. Just because a horse tired after setting the pace in the Derby, then tired after a premature move in the Preakness, that doesn't mean he can't get 12 furlongs. I think it's a good move by Jones, he just has to get him to relax a little.

bingo, with the right training I don't see why he couldn't be a real factor at 12F. He may not win it because he may not be as fast as a Curlin, but I wouldn't say he has no shot and I wouldn't expect what I think many people expect, and that is that Hard Spun would collapse badly. If he runs relaxed he can go a long way.

#6 05-21-2007, 07:11 PM

Any jockey but Pino. Hell, Kevin Krigger looked like a better choice than Pino with his rides at Suffolk today.

ateamstupid · #7 05-21-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Any jockey but Pino. Hell, Kevin Krigger looked like a better choice than Pino with his rides at Suffolk today.

How about Sally Mitchellhill? She's tearing it up at Calder.

slotdirt · #8 05-21-2007, 08:04 PM

I think ateam hit the nail on the head. I think Hard Spun can definitely be a factor, especially considering who we think will be heading to Belmont.

Rileyoriley · #9 05-21-2007, 08:37 PM

The pace is usually slower in the belmont as well so that would benefit Hard Spun. I think the rest that are planning to go are either raters or closers. The only one I don't know is the french horse mentioned on the bloodhorse website.

Rileyoriley · #10 05-21-2007, 08:39 PM

Cristobal is the french horse. Anyone know anything about him?

sumitas · #11 05-21-2007, 09:00 PM

Hard Spun could steal the race unless they replace pino with franklin.

ALostTexan · #12 05-21-2007, 09:05 PM

I think Hard Spun may very well take it, and that Curlin will be way overbet. In other words, the obvious observations...

ALostTexan

miraja2 · #13 05-21-2007, 09:14 PM

I do feel that for the most part Hard Spun will do his best work in the 8.5f-9f range. While he certainly has a dam-side pedigree that indicates 10f or longer, he does not seem able to relax very well down the backside.
What the horse does do well is get up to full speed quickly, and then maintain that speed for far longer than most horses with his early acceleration.
I can see why some may like his chances here, because he has that dam-side pedigree, and there shouldn't be a lot of competition on the front end, and who knows, the way he faded at Pimlico may mean he is the right price in this race.
On the whole though, I don't like his chances, because even though the race may set up for him to potentially get the half in :48 & change, I highly doubt he will actually do that unless Mario decides to do his best Jose Santos impression and strangle the horse back. I think he'll burn himself out.....but I am glad they are taking a shot with him here. We really don't need another Belmont like last year's edition.

tycharles01 · #14 05-21-2007, 09:18 PM

I think he can get the distance, but he does not look comfy in the stretch. Past 2 races he looks tight like he is startled or something

Biggest thing to consider is WildCrazyGuy

We have already heard he loves the distance and if the speed dies
BIG HIT at NICE PRICE

miraja2 · #15 05-21-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

bingo, with the right training I don't see why he couldn't be a real factor at 12F. He may not win it because he may not be as fast as a Curlin, but I wouldn't say he has no shot and I wouldn't expect what I think many people expect, and that is that Hard Spun would collapse badly. If he runs relaxed he can go a long way.

Jim, I agree that it would be foolish to say that he will "collapse badly" but when you say "if he runs relaxed"......that seems like a very big "if" to me.
That is the part I don't think he can do.

Zippy Chippy · #16 05-21-2007, 09:24 PM

With the slower pace of the Belmont, I definitely think Hard Spun has a good shot at winning it. He would have had a good shot at the Preakness if Pino had kept him off the pace instead of making a move with 5 1/2 furlongs to go. He's a game horse and with a better jockey he'll have a much better chance at winning it.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #17 05-21-2007, 09:29 PM

could it be d -money

slotdirt · #18 05-22-2007, 07:56 AM

Belmont has always been more of a stalkers race than a closer's race. I wouldn't think wildandcrazyguy would have much of a shot here.

ArlJim78 · #19 05-22-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Belmont has always been more of a stalkers race than a closer's race. I wouldn't think wildandcrazyguy would have much of a shot here.

me either, i give him no shot.

Mortimer · #20 05-22-2007, 08:37 AM

I'm sick of hearing this is a stalkers race and not a closers.

I'm sick of hearing mid stalkers and closing sprinters....I'm sick of can't get 10 or 12 panels or whatever the fucl< have you.

I'm sick of tighter turns and sweeping turns and dirt,turf and Hollyrock.

I'm sick of " Franchmens houses" and ducked in and the entire frigging mess.

Can't someone talk about stinking motorcycles or fine foot wear or anything else for just a day or two?????

Now you all have a stinking question to ask yourselves.

But ah don't think ya are.