Bad Trips

#1 05-05-2007, 05:40 PM

Its time to look for them.
That was really easy as it comes for a very good horse. Ran a very short, smart race.

My longshot Great Hunter, initiated contact about 4 different times coming from the 20 hole. Got to look at the race again to find some others that look like they might have run well with tough trips.

cmorioles · #2 05-05-2007, 05:43 PM

Good horses make good trips.

Maybe now, these clowns that choose outside instead of inside will rethink their position.

pmayjr · #3 05-05-2007, 05:45 PM

Pgard, I was pissed Nakatani didn't wait longer. He took Great Hunter so wide. But what can ya do?

Zanjero was on the rail in front on Street Sense. Brigdemohan took him off the rail just a little and his path got blocked. If Zanjero stays on the rail, he doesn't win, but he's maybe 3rd or 4th instead of 12th, because he had to completely check and then try and turn it on again.

#4 05-05-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Good horses make good trips.

Maybe now, these clowns that choose outside instead of inside will rethink their position.

Good horse but I cant believe he got a hole to open up like that.
Preakness will be interesting. Good horse, very good fortune, very good.

#5 05-05-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr

Pgard, I was pissed Nakatani didn't wait longer. He took Great Hunter so wide. But what can ya do?

Zanjero was on the rail in front on Street Sense. Brigdemohan took him off the rail just a little and his path got blocked. If Zanjero stays on the rail, he doesn't win, but he's maybe 3rd or 4th instead of 12th, because he had to completely check and then try and turn it on again.

The shot from above shows the seas parted. Just amazing.

sumitas · #6 05-05-2007, 05:51 PM

the seas did part but he sure moved in there quick

somerfrost · #7 05-05-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

The shot from above shows the seas parted. Just amazing.

As others have said, horses tend to drift out on the far turn as well as the stretch...Calvin rode Street Sense much like the Shoe rode Ferdinand...good horses tend to get good trips and good jocks make good choices...great job! The Preakness should be a good race, Curlin overcame a bit of a rough trip to finish well and Hard Spun has a motor...disappointing for Nobiz and Pletcher!

#8 05-05-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

the seas did part but he sure moved in there quick

Oh heck yes, he absolutely flew. But that hole closes and he runs up a number of anuses and that would have stopped that tremendous momentum.

The horse is clearly patient and has a great turn of foot. But guys that took racing luck as well.

sumitas · #9 05-05-2007, 05:57 PM

it did take some racing luck; no question.

somerfrost · #10 05-05-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh heck yes, he absolutely flew. But that hole closes and he runs up a number of anuses and that would have stopped that tremendous momentum.

The horse is clearly patient and has a great turn of foot. But guys that took racing luck as well.

Closers always need a bit of luck...but SS won't have to negotiate 19 horses in Maryland...field will be 10-12 at most and that will benefit him.

#11 05-05-2007, 06:00 PM

So I am looking for some bad trips because SS if ok will be the favorite in the Preakness. And I have a feeling SS will be made to run a different race. I dont think we are going to see a bunch of horses turn tail and skip because they were overwhelmed.

Withers · #12 05-05-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

it did take some racing luck; no question.

Also think that SS was much racing luck. Great run, fantastic ride, but I think Curlin with the same ride would have run on as well. Curlin had a terrible run, watching the replays. In the stretch, Robby had him ducking in trying to find a hole, then dropping outside, then inside...by the time he got free and started to run, Ima was in full acceleration, but if you watch Curlin, he totally hit the gas at the same time, and had tons left. Little bit disappointed that he didn't have a better run. Not convinced that SS will be the better horse at Pimlico and Belmont, but won't it be fun to watch!

#13 05-05-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Closers always need a bit of luck...but SS won't have to negotiate 19 horses in Maryland...field will be 10-12 at most and that will benefit him.

He did not have to negotiate 19 horses. They ran a perfectly smart race from a very good post.

the_fat_man · #14 05-05-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers

Ima was in full acceleration, but if you watch Curlin, he totally hit the gas at the same time, and had tons left.

It did appear that IMA... was going to blow by him didn't it? Nice to see the horse full of run 10 strides from the wire. Way to go.

todko · #15 05-05-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Withers

Also think that SS was much racing luck. Great run, fantastic ride, but I think Curlin with the same ride would have run on as well. Curlin had a terrible run, watching the replays. In the stretch, Robby had him ducking in trying to find a hole, then dropping outside, then inside...by the time he got free and started to run, Ima was in full acceleration, but if you watch Curlin, he totally hit the gas at the same time, and had tons left. Little bit disappointed that he didn't have a better run. Not convinced that SS will be the better horse at Pimlico and Belmont, but won't it be fun to watch!

Absolutely. Why they would bypass jocks like Bejarano and JuLep and go with Robby at CD is another question. He butchered that ride on Curlin.

Hats off to Borel. One of the best Derby rides I've seen. Great job.