Outside Posts?

Rupert Pupkin · #1 05-04-2007, 05:04 PM

I was just having an argument with a friend of mine about how many horses have won the Derby from the outside posts. I could have sworn there have been at least a few. He says there has only been one. Does anyone know how many horses have won the Derby from posts 17-20? Who are some of the horses that have won from those posts?

somerfrost · #2 05-04-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I was just having an argument with a friend of mine about how many horses have won the Derby from the outside posts. I could have sworn there have been at least a few. He says there has only been one. Does anyone know how many horses have won the Derby from posts 17-20? Who are some of the horses that have won from those posts?

Keep in mind that some Derby fields were small, Citation faced only 5 horses in 48 I believe, of the outside posts, 17 & 19 have had no winners I think, 18 has one...Gato Del Sol in 82, and 20 has one...Clyde Van Dusen in 29

Cajungator26 · #3 05-04-2007, 05:29 PM

Bear in mind that the Kentucky Derby hasn't had that many runnings with a full field of 20.

Here are the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishing post positions since 1986.

1986: 1-3-6
1987: 4-9-14f
1988: 8-1a-3
1989: 10-2b(one of the best horses I ever saw )-2
1990: 7-11-8
1991: 4-10-7
1992: 7-3-1a
1993: 6-5-16
1994: 6-5-10
1995: 11-10-2b
1996: 4-3-8
1997: 6-5-12
1998: 2-12-7
1999: 11-13-8
2000: 12-5-1c
2001: 16-13-8
2002: 5-13-3
2003: 6-12-5
2004: 15-3-10
2005: 10-18-12
2006: 8-13-2

#4 05-04-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I was just having an argument with a friend of mine about how many horses have won the Derby from the outside posts. I could have sworn there have been at least a few. He says there has only been one. Does anyone know how many horses have won the Derby from posts 17-20? Who are some of the horses that have won from those posts?

Since 1970 I got:

Monarchos 16
Fu Peg 15
Charismatic 16
Thunder Gulch 16
Gato de sol 18

What post position does the first aux. gate begin?

Cajungator26 · #5 05-04-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Since 1970 I got:

Monarchos 16
Fu Peg 15
Charismatic 16
Thunder Gulch 16
Gato de sol 18

What post position does the first aux. gate begin?

I'm pretty sure it's 15, pgardn. I believe that's why they chose that hole for Smarty...

#6 05-04-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm pretty sure it's 15, pgardn. I believe that's why they chose that hole for Smarty...

I think Smarty was 13 hole.

Cajungator26 · #7 05-04-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Since 1970 I got:

Monarchos 16
Fu Peg 15
Charismatic 16
Thunder Gulch 16
Gato de sol 18

What post position does the first aux. gate begin?

These are incorrect for the most part. Charismatic and Thunder Gulch did NOT come from pp 16... they came out of the 11 hole. Fu Peg won out of the 12 hole. Gato Del Sol won out of the 11 hole as well. Where are you getting this info?

Cajungator26 · #8 05-04-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I think Smarty was 13 hole.

15.

#9 05-04-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

15.

I very well could be wrong as I dont remember...

Here is the site:
http://horseracing.about.com/od/hist...blderbywin.htm

Cajungator26 · #10 05-04-2007, 05:41 PM

I know for a fact that what I posted since 1986 is correct. The chances of a horse winning from the far outside post is slim, but since it hasn't been attempted that many times, who knows...

1986: 1-3-6 (Ferdinand)
1987: 4-9-14f (Alysheba)
1988: 8-1a-3 (Winning Colors)
1989: 10-2b(one of the best horses I ever saw )-2 (Sunday Silence)
1990: 7-11-8 (Unbridled)
1991: 4-10-7 (Strike the Gold)
1992: 7-3-1a (Lil E. Tee)
1993: 6-5-16 (Sea Hero)
1994: 6-5-10 (Go for Gin)
1995: 11-10-2b (Thunder Gulch)
1996: 4-3-8 (Grindstone)
1997: 6-5-12 (Silver Charm)
1998: 2-12-7 (Real Quiet)
1999: 11-13-8 (Charismatic)
2000: 12-5-1c (Fu Peg)
2001: 16-13-8 (Monarchos)
2002: 5-13-3 (War Emblem)
2003: 6-12-5 (Funny Cide)
2004: 15-3-10 (Smarty Jones)
2005: 10-18-12 (Giacomo)
2006: 8-13-2 (Barbaro)

Cajungator26 · #11 05-04-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I very well could be wrong as I dont remember...

Here is the site:
http://horseracing.about.com/od/hist...blderbywin.htm

That site is so wrong it's not even funny... geesh, these people need to get their facts straight.

#12 05-04-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

That site is so wrong it's not even funny... geesh, these people need to get their facts straight.

Well they got Gato de Sol right according to Somer. So thats one out of...
The times look about right. The winners are correct. But I just dont remember Post postions well. I liked Brother Derek just last year and I cant remember whether he came out of the 20 thru the 17, but I think it was somewhere out there.

And yes lots of crap gets put up on the internet, I just dont remember these things well.

Cajungator26 · #13 05-04-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Well they got Gato de Sol right according to Somer. So thats one out of...
The times look about right. The winners are correct. But I just dont remember Post postions well. I liked Brother Derek just last year and I cant remember whether he came out of the 20 thru the 17, but I think it was somewhere out there.

And yes lots of crap gets put up on the internet, I just dont remember these things well.

Gato Del Sol won out of the 11 hole, not the 18.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2007/de...s/pdf/1982.pdf

Brother Derek was in the 18.

#14 05-04-2007, 05:50 PM

Attention Everyone:

There Is Some Bad Post Position Information Going Around. If You Think You Ingested Some Of This Report To The Emergency Tent Immediately.

Cajungator26 · #15 05-04-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by easy goer

Attention Everyone:

There Is Some Bad Post Position Information Going Around. If You Think You Ingested Some Of This Report To The Emergency Tent Immediately.

lol

#16 05-04-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Gato Del Sol won out of the 11 hole, not the 18.

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2007/de...s/pdf/1982.pdf

Brother Derek was in the 18.

Keep in mind that some Derby fields were small, Citation faced only 5 horses in 48 I believe, of the outside posts, 17 & 19 have had no winners I think, 18 has one...Gato Del Sol in 82, and 20 has one...Clyde Van Dusen in 29

This is Somers post. He usually is very accurate. But honestly since I dont remember... And he said I think, which is a hint of Im not sure... So if you have found multiple errors I will go with your info.

Cajungator26 · #17 05-04-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Keep in mind that some Derby fields were small, Citation faced only 5 horses in 48 I believe, of the outside posts, 17 & 19 have had no winners I think, 18 has one...Gato Del Sol in 82, and 20 has one...Clyde Van Dusen in 29

This is Somers post. He usually is very accurate. But honestly since I dont remember... And he said I think, which is a hint of Im not sure... So if you have found multiple errors I will go with your info.

The picture of Gato Del Sol with the roses around his neck wearing the 11 saddlecloth is proof enough for me. LOL