Commentator.. nice!

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The more serious question becomes, If the Chargers put Rachelle Washington on the field could she make Randy Moss disappear?

They did it without her.

[JJP]

Has there been a more overrated horse this decade than Commentator? When was the last time he beat a good field?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by JJP

Has there been a more overrated horse this decade than Commentator? When was the last time he beat a good field?

Yes, there have been countless horses move overrated than him this decade.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yes, there have been countless horses move overrated than him this decade.

I'll give you one; Dollar Bill. Other than him, I can't think of any. Yeah Commentator will run his 110 Beyer against 4 horse fields of nobodies but put him against a good field and he will get destroyed. To answer my earlier question, when did he last beat a good field?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by JJP

I'll give you one; Dollar Bill. Other than him, I can't think of any. Yeah Commentator will run his 110 Beyer against 4 horse fields of nobodies but put him against a good field and he will get destroyed. To answer my earlier question, when did he last beat a good field?

He beat Saint Liam in The Whitney. Other than that, he's done next to nothing relevant in his career besides post a bunch of big speed figures under perfect circumstances.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He beat Saint Liam in The Whitney. Other than that, he's done next to nothing relevant in his career besides post a bunch of big speed figures under perfect circumstances.

While you're entitled to your opinion, my guess is you haven't looked at his career pps in quite some time, and are acting as though these performances mean absolutely nothing. These " big speed figures under perfect circumstances " aren't completely random and are much higher than many horses routinely being lauded as signs of greatness in many lesser recent horses.

In his third career start he ran a 106 Beyer. In just his fourth career start he won the Perryville at Keeneland, earning a 107 Beyer fig, by seven lengths over Eurosilver and Wegalia. In his fifth career start he won by eight lengths at Churchill and earned a 112 Beyer Fig. Before winning the Whitney ( the only thing apparently, that kept him from being a total slug ) he earned a 121 Beyer fig at Belmont off almost a six month layoff. Despite a career filled with injuries and layoffs he has compiled a record of ten wins in sixteen starts.

Suggesting he has done " next to nothing " aside from the Whitney is to ignore the awesome talent that he has displayed on more than one or two occasions. I understand, and don't totally disagree, that he has shown a relative inability to overcome even the slightest adversity. I am not defending him against these charges. But to turn that into a flipside of " next to nothing " is to either ignore his complete record, or worse, to talk without even fully knowing it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by JJP

Has there been a more overrated horse this decade than Commentator? When was the last time he beat a good field?

You might want to stick to posting about Football.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You might want to stick to posting about Football.

Lets put Commentator in perspective. When was his last win over anybody? August 2005? What was happening back then?

1. The Chicago White Sox hadn't won a World Series in over 90 years.
2. The hit show "The Office" hadn't even hit the air yet.
3. Greg Oden was approaching his senior year.....of high school.
4. My daughter, who is getting ready to take the ACT, hadn't even entered high school when Commentator beat Saint Liam.

How many other horses who've done nothing in 2 1/2 years get their own thread unless they died?

[Danzig]

but commentator did beat saint liam, has won or placed in some nice races, just set a record, and altho he isn't known for running in a lot of races, is still laying it down at age seven.
maybe it's the way he came back the other day, after not showing much in 2 1/2 years.

i'd say there are plenty of horses who are more overrated than commentator. at least he's paying his bills, unlike some supposed derby horses who don't do much in may, take time off, finally come back, get a thread about them and their 'comeback', and finish up the track.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He beat Saint Liam in The Whitney. Other than that, he's done next to nothing relevant in his career besides post a bunch of big speed figures under perfect circumstances.

Well said. I'm not overly impressed by giant figures against small fields of (other than St Liam one time) questionable opposition.

[SentToStud]

[quote=JJP]Lets put Commentator in perspective. When was his last win over anybody? August 2005? What was happening back then?

1. The Chicago White Sox hadn't won a World Series in over 90 years.
2. The hit show "The Office" hadn't even hit the air yet.
3. Greg Oden was approaching his senior year.....of high school.
4. My daughter, who is getting ready to take the ACT, hadn't even entered high school when Commentator beat Saint Liam.

How many other horses who've done nothing in 2 1/2 years get their own thread unless they died?[/QUOTE]

Your comments are, in perspective, well, ridiculous.

There was no thread about him for those 2.5 years, was there? Horse comes off a layoff, has problems and runs a big race, setting a track record at a distance where Gulfsttream runs a graded stakes every year.

Your reference points are just as ridiculous, with, perhaps, the possible exception of the one about your daughter, pending your posting of some half-naked pictures of her.

Originally Posted by Toucher McChildren

Your reference points are just as ridiculous, with, perhaps, the possible exception of the one about your daughter, pending your posting of some half-naked pictures of her.

[JJP]

[quote=SentToStud]

Originally Posted by JJP

Lets put Commentator in perspective. When was his last win over anybody? August 2005? What was happening back then?

1. The Chicago White Sox hadn't won a World Series in over 90 years.
2. The hit show "The Office" hadn't even hit the air yet.
3. Greg Oden was approaching his senior year.....of high school.
4. My daughter, who is getting ready to take the ACT, hadn't even entered high school when Commentator beat Saint Liam.

How many other horses who've done nothing in 2 1/2 years get their own thread unless they died?[/QUOTE]

Your comments are, in perspective, well, ridiculous.

There was no thread about him for those 2.5 years, was there? Horse comes off a layoff, has problems and runs a big race, setting a track record at a distance where Gulfsttream runs a graded stakes every year.

Your reference points are just as ridiculous, with, perhaps, the possible exception of the one about your daughter, pending your posting of some half-naked pictures of her.

Go ahead and bet him with both hands. I remember him recently being scratched out of a stake. probably the Clark. He was going to be a great bet against since he wouldn't be lone speed. I was pissed when he scratched. The reference points are not ridiculous because they are all true. But if you want to chase this horse in stakes company, go ahead. I'll be betting against you.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by JJP

Go ahead and bet him with both hands. I remember him recently being scratched out of a stake. probably the Clark. He was going to be a great bet against since he wouldn't be lone speed. I was pissed when he scratched. The reference points are not ridiculous because they are all true. But if you want to chase this horse in stakes company, go ahead. I'll be betting against you.

You seem a bit confused.
Is anyone talking about betting him in his next race? I don't think so. Depending on which race he enters next, what the field looks like in terms of likely pace scenario and quality, he might very well be a good "bet against" horse. You seem to be saying in your earlier post that this fact makes it stupid for him to have his own thread. I couldn't disagree more.
The horse just ran a very fast race (119 BSF). How often do horses run those kinds of races? Are there so many other interesting things to talk about in this sport in the middle of January that we shouldn't waste our time talking about it? That seems pretty stupid to me.
Also, the fact that his last really big win came two and half years ago (which, for some reason, you decided to illustrate in that rather lengthy manner) only makes it more obvious that this horse accomplished something impressive. How many horses can ever run a race like that at any point in their careers? The fact that he did it at age 7 despite his history of problems makes it even more impressive.
You rightly point out that this doesn't ensure that he will win next time out, but so what?

[freddymo]

he is a lot of horse with a lot of problems

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by JJP

How many other horses who've done nothing in 2 1/2 years get their own thread unless they died?

Let's see, I can name at least two off the top of my head, turf maiden claimer Truth or Dare and the mighty Artie Hot. Both horses got their own threads....started by you.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let's see, I can name at least two off the top of my head, turf maiden claimer Truth or Dare and the mighty Artie Hot. Both horses got their own threads....started by you.

Bored again?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let's see, I can name at least two off the top of my head, turf maiden claimer Truth or Dare and the mighty Artie Hot. Both horses got their own threads....started by you.

You remembered that off the top of your head?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You remembered that off the top of your head?

It's not easy being me.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's not easy being me.

How would you know?