Beyer Fig from Saturday

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I don't think it was just the number people were betting on...

Well, I guess DWL was successful a decade ago. Maybe they remembered his name?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MisterB

did these beyer numbers have influence on them??

From a handicapping prospective, Curlin's 101 Beyer in his debut at GP was a slightly better individual performance than FFC's 107 Beyer at OP in his debut....because of the fact that the latters brilliant performance was bias aided.

Both numbers were absolutley correct..and fairly easy figures to make.

Curlin debuted on the same days as the Holy Bull Stakes, which was won by Nobiz Like Shobiz....his superior final time earned him a figure 5 points faster than Nobiz...who defeated a decent field in that race, 3rd place finisher Scat Daddy has since won the FOY and Florida Derby. 4th place finisher, beaten 10 lengths, named Sam P. has since returned to run 2nd and 3rd in major Derby preps at SA.

Why was FFC the favorite over Curlin in that race? Perhaps because of the fact he was ridden by last years eclipse award winning jockey, and trained by a Hall of Famer who's horses are most often overbet.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by MisterB

It would be interesting to know someone who actually handicapped the race, using this beyer number in determining their bet. Allot of people bet the horse, why? did these beyer numbers have influence on them??

I'm sure to some, they just looked at the big beyer and went gaga.

But if it takes nothing more than looking at beyers, we could boil all the pp's down to columns of beyer figs. Forget the running lines, comments, etc.
The challenge in handicapping is to justify the figure, or to put in in context. Look at how it was earned and ask yourself if those conditions are likely to repeat next time.

DrugS gave the specifics in this case.

On the other hand, you may come to the conclusion that a big beyer IS reflective of the horse and can be repeated, or in some cases even improved upon due to the horse having raced in a disadvantaged sense, either wide or against a bias.

I see all these numbers as only a starting point for further analysis, not as conclusive of anything. They're just one of your tools.

[MisterB]

Thanks folks<
As you must have figured out by now, I am not a fan of beyer numbers, however, I am always interested on how people use different info, and come up with a selection. This thread may or could be salvaged, and become somewhat useful, with these added comments you have made. Of course, there are others who won't.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Thanks folks<
As you must have figured out by now, I am not a fan of beyer numbers, however, I am always interested on how people use different info, and come up with a selection. This thread may or could be salvaged, and become somewhat useful, with these added comments you have made. Of course, there are others who won't.

Really all that matters, and is important to ALL of us, is that each and every thread here is useful to YOU.

We are here to serve......YOU.....and only YOU.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Really all that matters, and is important to ALL of us, is that each and every thread here is useful to YOU.

We are here to serve......YOU.....and only YOU.

Thanks Throat, you are a very kind person. It's funny though, I can't seem to find anything useful you have said yet.

But thanks anyway, I know you care about helping out where you can.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Thanks Throat, you are a very kind person. It's funny though, I can't seem to find anything useful you have said yet.

But thanks anyway, I know you care about helping out where you can.

Gee, what a disappointment to me. I just live to please you.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Thanks Throat, you are a very kind person. It's funny though, I can't seem to find anything useful you have said yet.

But thanks anyway, I know you care about helping out where you can.

How many more days do you need to play this game before you get bored with it?

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Gee, what a disappointment to me. I just live to please you.

I liked this one more, why did you change it?
Maybe it will make more sense when you return to post drunk later. Those are always your posts that I enjoy the most.

I need a haircut

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I need a haircut

I do too.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MisterB

I liked this one more, why did you change it?
Maybe it will make more sense when you return to post drunk later. Those are always your posts that I enjoy the most.

I decided not to dwell on your drunken rant from yesterday afternoon. I was being nice. Sorry, I will try not to let that happen again.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

How many more days do you need to play this game before you get bored with it?

Actually, I got something out of it today. I don't think it will shed to much more help though.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I decided not to dwell on your drunken rant from yesterday afternoon. I was being nice. Sorry, I will try not to let that happen again.

Your not to good assuming things, better stick to what you know best. What is that anyway?

Originally Posted by MisterB

Your not to good assuming things, better stick to what you know best. What is that anyway?

grammar

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Your not to good assuming things, better stick to what you know best. What is that anyway?

Here's a thought...how about you move on so the rest of us don't have to plow through your nonsense trying to bait people?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

grammar

One can never be to good at grammar.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One can never be to good at grammar.

your right about that.

[paisjpq]

I think I'm having an aneurysm

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I think I'm having an aneurysm

do you need me to preform cpr?