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[quote=somerfrost]Every time I give my opinion you respond with your condescending crap, I guess when you really don't have the tools to engage in intellectual debate you have to rely on sound bite rhetoric. See if you can follow this....comparing Obama's use of religion (in many cases defending himself against attacks by right wing wackos that he's a Islamic terrorist etc) to the Christian conservative rantings of the likes of Pat Robertson, Falwell etc. is void of reason. The folks I campaign against want to dictate who you can love, how you can love them and where you can love them. They want to invoke their "Christian" (read fanatical fundamentalism) values on all of us. These are the folks who picket at the funerals of American servicemen and women holding signs saying those brave defenders of our freedoms are burning in hell cause they died in the defense of a free society that allows folks to dare love the "wrong person". They want to control what you can watch on TV and at the movies, they aren't real fond of folks of color, and would prefer women to be barefoot and pregnant. Sure, I'm talking now about the radical religious right but far too many so-called "compassionate conservatives" and "mainstream" Christian folks drink the Koolade! Timm obviously isn't a fanatic (even though I admit enjoying pulling his chain still), but he falls into the trap of defending the mindset...his fanatical (and yes, that word applies here) hatred of Obama is troubling to me, calling the President-elect names before he takes office, attacking his every move before allowing him the opportunity to govern is indicative of the politics of fear and hatred that the religious (far) right is known for...McCain and Palin briefly exhibited this idiocy before McCain listened to the angels of his better nature and backed off...a move that may have cost him some votes among the fundamentalists but gained back a lot of the respect that folks like me have for him. I don't hate McCain or Palin, I admire them for their service and wish them well but I'm not hearing similar attitudes from their supporters...especially those who intertwine their religious beliefs with politics![/QUOTE
Somer: there is SO much wrong with your post....1) you know damn well Falwell and Robertson don't speak for the majority of conservatives 2) Even worse, you attach Christianity with the likes of Westbro charlatans( I would hope they're run over by the Bikers who've been at the funerals) 3) Regardless of what you say of the President Elect(how's that) there is so much that we don't know or have conveniently dismissed about this man....he's not been vetted completely...certainly not with same vehemence directed at McCain/Palin. 4) McCains' campaign was the worst run campaign in decades, partly due to the splintered GOP, who can't figure out what they stand for in matching up to the Dems. I could go on..but the election is over
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See what you did there? You made a sensible post without personal attacks and name calling toward Obama...fair points except for your reference of my point. I clearly referred to Robertson and Falwell as conservative Christian spokesmen...certainly they are that. I likewise clarified that the folks I mainly campaign against are "fanatical fundamentalists"...that is where I place the Westbro idiots. I agree they don't represent the vast majority of the Christian right but far too many folks are in fact drinking their Koolade...despite the Obama victory, 3 states (California the most troubling to me) voted to deny equal rights to gay folks, one making it illegal for gay couples to adopt. I heard ministers and priests invoking "God" when berating Obama...clearly, while not as vile and disgusting as the actions of the lunatics, the thought process is not dissimilar....I'm not anti-Christian, hell...I was one for about 54 years, but the folks who have the lord talk to them and tell them to hate (or invade Iraq) are simply put...dangerous. Bottom line...believe what you want and follow the path that you think is right but stay out of my life....there is more than one path that leads to the devine.
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While some of Somer's statements may have been excessive - I agree with her about Religion and Politics. The two should have absolutely nothing to do with each other and it is def. the #1 thing I have against Republicans.
Somehow Christians (not all but we all know what I'm talking about), especially the ones involved in politics, seem to feel that they are better than everyone and have higher moral standards than the rest of the country when they need to take a step back and realize that they are as messed up - or more so - than everyone else. I mean really, who is anyone to tell anyone how to live there life if it is not affecting anyone else. I'll leave the abortion argument out of this because that does affect someone.
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I think abortion is a unique issue in many ways...I oppose abortion personally but am against repeal of Roe...and yes, a complex issue that invokes strong emotions. I agree with your points (except I don't obviously feel my statements are excessive). The reason I left Christianity was the "one way" concept that inevitably leads to a feeling of moral superiority and the right to dictate to others how to live and what to believe (that's my feeble attempt to summarize a complex and personally difficult decision). When Coach responded to the "old man", he highlighted some of my post...yes, I feel justified in calling the Westboro folks some choice names, frankly...I'm being kind imo.
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Come on Timm, of course they are (were) spokesmen for the religious right...one ran for President the other built a rather substantial empire with millions of followers. Me saying something doesn't make it true...the facts are what they are. Never said I hated Bush (I don't), simply point out the facts...is the country in better shape now than 8 years ago? Of course many folks are drinking the Koolade...you deny that...then please explain the homophobia, the evoking of "God's Will" against Obama, etc. etc. And of course, the obligatory ridicule of my faith...standard in the thinking of those "blessed with the only religious truth". By the way, if you want to ridicule my faith you should understand what my beliefs are...otherwise you come across as ignorant...and your statement, as condescending as it is, is further proof that you do indeed drink the Koolade!
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i guess what I meant by excessive was your first post seemed to generalize all conservatives with that line of thinking. I am very conservative with my political views - but those ultra conservatives really piss me off with their Morality highground BS and bringing God into everything. I am pretty liberal with my social views - which I also feel social issues have to reason to be in politics. Except abortion - that is a unique subject and I call myself Pro-Nothing. I think it is very wrong to use abortion as a means of birth control because you are so damn lazy.. but I feel there are situations and instances that occur all the time where there are tough decisions to make. But yeah - those few Christians who want to chastize everyone's morality believe we all originated from one man and one rib- and also believe those pep's in the Old Test. used to live til they were 548 years old. I mean really.. WTF?
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obviously not, but a lot of things happened the past 8 years that changed the course of the world, and bush did not have control over many things. I honestly believe that it could have been ANYONE in office the past 8 years - a dem, repub or indy - and we would still be in a similar situation today and that pres would be thought of the way Bush is thought of.
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That they were successful in their endeavours is not the issue. Quid pro Quo on the obligatory bashing of faith,bub...you never miss a beat to deride the folks who disagree with your faith. Of course the country isn't in better shape..DOH!..yet you lay that soley at Bushs feeet? While the various industries were finding a way to get the most money for the least service, they finally burst the magic bubble of greed and are falling swiftly on their butts,and putting the rest of our society at tremendous risk. As far as homophobia....over half the country(as votes prove) is unable to come to a satisfactory solution. The only Kool-aid being consumed is by the rabid followers of Obama. Your dissolution of faith comes from discarding the Bible as the course of your life...it's much more comfortable not having to stand up for age old concepts. Actually, no condescension intended....life is a bitch for sure...we all have to make a decision, though it's true that if you don't make one, you've decided already.
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Pretty much agree regarding abortion...I consider myself a feminist and being anti-abortion leads to some lively debates with other feminists but I see abortion as a tool to deprive women of true equality. I agree that, in the end, the woman must make the difficult decision but that in itself is unfair as it took two folks to create the situation. I won't critize religious beliefs, my beef is with those who use them to dictate morality to others. The folks I cite bastardize faith and convert messages of love to hate.
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