Two could be heavy favorites on Saturday - play against

I think zito knows best in short fields if hemingway's key can stay close to pace on the outside tomorrow he can kill on the strecth

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Dude, I don't know if you've ever been to Saratoga, but it's usually like this during this time of year. Hot and muggy, and from my understanding Monmouth can get very hot too. I also wouldn't count too much on a meteorologists long range forecast. Albertrani said today on ATRAB that the horse has never been better, and you are underestimating having a race over the track. The Jim Dandy is a much more logical race for Bernardini. This is not to say that Bernardini couldn't win both, but he's been pointing for THIS race since he was declared out of the Belmont.

I have been many times and the weather usually sucks, but it isn't often in the 90's and humid. This is much hotter than usual. When it is hot even in the morning, you know it is hot.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Those two horses are so much the best, it's ridiculous, but I respect you taking a stand..

Bernardini is, but LOV is very overrated, I like Motion's horse to beat her...

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Bernardini is, but LOV is very overrated, I like Motion's horse to beat her...

I don't know if I'd call her overrated.. but it is asking a lot to step up to a Grade 1 against older horses.

[sumitas]

Wend is always tough.

[Scav]

Sum, have you watched her last three races?

Clearly, CLEARLY not the same horse...something went amiss and she needs to be retired, should have retired before her last race

[sumitas]

no i have not. she'll probably get scratched because the turf should be soft. brisnet has Sweet Talker with about an 11 point primepower advantage over the nearest rival My Typhoon. if that is any indication she needs a good look. sheets wise i dunno...will she bouince ?http://www.brisnet.com/Promo/Free_PPs/brd_comp.pdf

Cassette Case deserves a good look in the 4th race.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Overrated??? How do you figure? She has been awesome in the US so far, and has been flattered twice now, by Magnificent Song today, and May Night a few weeks ago in the Virginia Oaks. If the odds aren't there I can see not betting her, but I think that Biancone knows A LOT more than we do, and he isn't running her there for kicks. She's the goods.

You guys will be eating those words tonight, she loses and like I said, I like My Typhoon or Motion's horse...

[GPK]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Thanks for telling me what they are doing with Showing Up. I will be sure to tell that to Tagg at Arlington. I guess Bill Finley was just making up his article in the NYT too. Not only will Showing Up go to the BC Turf, but he might be one of the favorites after his Turf Classic win.

Showing Up is the real deal. Nobody has seen anything from him yet. There is a lot more in the tank with that horse. I still don't think he has Barbaro talent on the grass, but some close to him do.

Here are some parts of the article on Showing Up in the NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/sp...=1&oref=slogin

Change to the Turf Offers Horse a Chance to Show Off

By BILL FINLEY
Published: July 18, 2006


“Everybody who gets on him says he’s as good a horse as they’ve ever sat on,” said Showing Up’s trainer, Barclay Tagg, also the trainer of Funny Cide, the 2003 Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner. “The jockey thinks he’s a super horse. I’m a guarded person and I don’t like to get too excited, but he’s done everything we’ve asked of him.”

Tagg said that Barbaro deserved to be the 3-year-old champion, an award usually given to a dirt horse, but he added that Showing Up could be named the male turf champion.

With that goal in mind, he has mapped out a schedule that consists of the Secretariat Stakes on Aug. 12 at Arlington Park, the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic on Oct. 7 at Belmont and the Breeders’ Cup Turf on Nov. 4 at Churchill Downs.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

"Not only will Showing Up go to the BC Turf, but he might be one of the favorites after his Turf Classic win."


Hang on....let me wipe the tears from my eyes. The horse beat nothing in the Turf Cup (his only start on turf) and now all of a sudden he might be one of the favorites in the BC Turf??? against Europes best? against Americas best older turf horses???

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by GPK

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

"Not only will Showing Up go to the BC Turf, but he might be one of the favorites after his Turf Classic win."


Hang on....let me wipe the tears from my eyes. The horse beat nothing in the Turf Cup (his only start on turf) and now all of a sudden he might be one of the favorites in the BC Turf??? against Europes best? against Americas best older turf horses???

Showing UP couldn't hold English Channel's bridle..

I wasn't a big fan of EC, until his last race, that made me a believer...

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Showing UP couldn't hold English Channel's bridle..

I wasn't a big fan of EC, until his last race, that made me a believer...

and this guy is willing to make a heads up bet between EC and SU!!!!

Showing Up is no Barbaro, but they say he is very close. Showing Up will mop up English Channel. The Europeans are his only competition. Showing Up is not the horse you saw a few weeks ago when he won the Colonial easily. He is becoming a monster. When Mr. Pessimist Tagg starts talking like he is about an Eclipse Award, you better watch out.

Tell EC to take off his skirt and beat a good European horse than I will give him credit. That fifth place finish last year didn't do much for me. His dogfight with that gimp Shakespeare who was coming off surgery showed EC doesn't have it.

I bet English Channel could have beaten Barbaro on the turf too. LOL.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Showing Up is no Barbaro, but they say he is very close. Showing Up will mop up English Channel. The Europeans are his only competiton. Showing Up is not the horse you saw a few weeks ago when he won the Colonial easily. He is becoming a monster. When Mr. Pessimist Tagg starts talking like he is about an Eclipse Award, you better watch out.

Tell EC to take off his skirt and beat a good European horse than I will give him credit. That fifth place finish last year didn't do much for me.

I bet English Channel could have beaten Barbaro on the turf too. LOL.

I doubt the EC could have beaten Barbaro on the turf. I was the one BEGGING for the Jacksons to leave Barbaro on the grass, instead of trying for the Triple Crown with him. America needs a 3YO turf superstar and I truly believe that Barbaro was him.
I'm not saying that SU is a bad horse, but he has to beat more than what he did in the Turf Cup to prove anything to me. EC has essentially beat the best that AMERICA has to offer and his record speaks for itself. SU has beat one very suspect group of horses in 1 turf race. IF SU turns out to be a turf monster, I will be happy. I LOVE turf racing tons more than dirt, so I am always looking for more attention to be given to turfers.

SU has lots more to do on turf for anyone to believe he is a monster. If Tagg is so confident that he is that good, skip the 3YO turf races and pit him against the big boys.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Showing Up is no Barbaro, but they say he is very close. Showing Up will mop up English Channel. The Europeans are his only competition. Showing Up is not the horse you saw a few weeks ago when he won the Colonial easily. He is becoming a monster. When Mr. Pessimist Tagg starts talking like he is about an Eclipse Award, you better watch out.

Tell EC to take off his skirt and beat a good European horse than I will give him credit. That fifth place finish last year didn't do much for me. His dogfight with that gimp Shakespeare who was coming off surgery showed EC doesn't have it.

I bet English Channel could have beaten Barbaro on the turf too. LOL.

BTW...the only thing you are proving with this post is your immaturity.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by boldruler

His dogfight with that gimp Shakespeare who was coming off surgery showed EC doesn't have it.

It amazes me how people are so quick to back a 3 year old against older, mind you the best the world has to offer, the first time.

Pletcher also doesn't talk about Eclipse awards, he wins them, and he's very high on EC, said he's the 2nd best yearling him and his father ever purchased.

If this happens, the more experienced horse will get my money, but I say there is less than a 5% chance we even see this matchup this year.

[GPK]

Tag has to be more itelligent than to face him against elders before the BC Turf.

Like you said Bill, I guess people don't realize the HUGE difference between the 3YO year and after. As good as EC was last year, he is 10 times better than that as a 4YO this year.

Originally Posted by GPK

Tag has to be more itelligent than to face him against elders before the BC Turf.

Like you said Bill, I guess people don't realize the HUGE difference between the 3YO year and after. As good as EC was last year, he is 10 times better than that as a 4YO this year.

Showing Up is going to the Turf Classic. I love how when English Channel went as a 3yr old and lost by a nose it was ok and Pletcher was a genius, but if Tagg does it, he isn't intelligent. You are calling me immature. Wake up.

Showing Up is better than EC was as a three year old. The one morning the two were out at Belmont together, Showing Up made him look like a little boy. That was the day Tagg realized SU can compete on the turf with anyone.

Originally Posted by dr.fager

It amazes me how people are so quick to back a 3 year old against older, mind you the best the world has to offer, the first time.

Pletcher also doesn't talk about Eclipse awards, he wins them, and he's very high on EC, said he's the 2nd best yearling him and his father ever purchased.

If this happens, the more experienced horse will get my money, but I say there is less than a 5% chance we even see this matchup this year.

The only way we don't see this matchup is if EC doesn't run in the Turf Classic or BC Turf. Highly unlikely.

Both three year olds, Showing Up and Go Between will be just as good as the older horses in the fall. Showing Up already is and Go Between is getting much better quickly.

[Danzig]

it takes an extra special three year old to beat older. and we have two of those?? i doubt it.

i don't believe showing up can beat english channel, and i don't believe he won't touch dirt again.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Showing Up is going to the Turf Classic. I love how when English Channel went as a 3yr old and lost by a nose it was ok and Pletcher was a genius, but if Tagg does it, he isn't intelligent. You are calling me immature. Wake up.

Showing Up is better than EC was as a three year old. The one morning the two were out at Belmont together, Showing Up made him look like a little boy.

I apologize (real men know that word). I was wrong, I thought the Turf Classic was for 3YO's only. I stand corrected.

I call you immature because you talk of horses wearing "skirts". You come across as though you are still in 8th grade. I guess daddy's money has kept your sheltered from the real world for a long time, hence the reasoning behind why you have no idea how grown ups speak and have intelligent discussions.

Pletcher NEVER works EC fast. The great majority of workouts that you see for EC are 4F in :50+

Im done having a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Good day to you and best of luck to SU the remainder of the year.