Top 4 2 year olds in your opinion

[smartyalex]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Based on performance this year:
1. Street Sense
2. Dreaming of Anna
3. Tiz Wonderful
4. Circular Quay

Based on how I think they will turn out as 3yo
1. Street Sense
2. Dreaming of Anna
3. Officer Rocket
4. CP West.

Thanks for mentioning Officer Rocket in your 3yo category. Had he not displaced in the Iriquois (which he still beat two of the seven horse field under extreme shortness of air!) I have a feeling he would be getting more respect. He is an amazing class horse who will be able to go the distance!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Buffy, I like Great Hunter too... I'm just wondering how much this colt will actually improve. He's been so consistent all season that it makes you wonder if he'll be able to have that jump from this year to next year as a 3 year old. He's definitely paid for himself, that's for sure... I think he was a $30k KEE Sept '05 colt. I like to see ones like him do well.

Teuflesberg is another colt that's got great action IMO. I doubt he'll be a legit derby contender, but I think he'll improve next year as a 3 year old. He moves great.

I think that Tueflesberg is a cooked goose. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that he was thrown to the wolves one too many times.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by smartyalex

Thanks for mentioning Officer Rocket in your 3yo category. Had he not displaced in the Iriquois (which he still beat two of the seven horse field under extreme shortness of air!) I have a feeling he would be getting more respect. He is an amazing class horse who will be able to go the distance!

i completely agree -- and i believe that the prices are going to be right all spring!

[Rupert Pupkin]

I'm looking forward to the Hollywood Prevue on Saturday. There are a few colts in there with a ton of potential. The two that I will be most interested to watch are Notional and Belgravia.

[The Bid]

He certainly needs a break, he didnt need those last few he ran in. Tueflesburg that is

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Bid

He certainly needs a break, he didnt need those last few he ran in. Tueflesburg that is

I thought I read somewhere that Jamie had wanted to turn him out... hopefully they'll do that and he'll improve next year.

[The Bid]

Yeah I think we talked about that. She told me she was going to give him all the time he needs. Which should be about 2 months.

Originally Posted by The Bid

Yeah I think we talked about that. She told me she was going to give him all the time he needs. Which should be about 2 months.

HA...yeah right...that poor bastard will be back in the next hard stake she can find --- Oh, speaking of....the Nov. 25 Ky Jockey Club noms are out...lets check the lineup, shall we?

TIZ WONDERFUL, CHANGE UP AMONG RISING STARS NOMINATED TO CLOSING DAY JUVENILE STAKES - Stonestreet Stable's Tiz Wonderful, winner of the Iroquois (GIII), and Richard, Elaine and Bert Klein's Change Up, impressive in defeating fillies in the Pocahontas (GIII), head their respective rosters of nominees for the $200,000-added Kentucky Jockey Club (GII) and $200,000-added Golden Rod (GII), the co-featured races for 2-year-olds on the Nov. 25 racing card that will close out Churchill Downs 21-day Fall Meet.
The two 1 1/16-mile races for 2-year-olds are the featured events on the meet's second "Stars of Tomorrow" program dedicated exclusively to races for 2-year-olds.
The unbeaten Tiz Wonderful is one of the brightest young stars on the list of 29 2-year-olds nominated to the 80th running of the Kentucky Jockey Club. Trained by Scott Blasi, the son of two-time Breeders' Cup Classic (GI) winner Tiznow romped to a 6 ¾-length victory in the one-mile Iroquois. He had rolled to a 12 ½-length victory in his racing debut in a 6 ½-furlong maiden race at Saratoga in early September.
Other notable nominees to the Kentucky Jockey Club include Lucky Seven Stable's U D Ghetto, winner of the Kentucky Cup Juvenile (GIII) and a troubled seventh to Street Sense in the Bessemer Trust Breeders' Cup Juvenile (GI);

***Gary Logsdon, Donnie Kelly and Jamie Sanders' Teuflesburg, 10th in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile***,

but a close second to Scat Daddy in the Sanford (GII) at Saratoga; Claiborne Farm's Passport, winner of the Miller Lite Cradle at River Downs; Patricia Blass' Run Alex Run, third to Circular Quay in the Bashford Manor (GIII) at Churchill Downs; Darley Stable's unbeaten Day Pass, winner of the Nashua (GIII) at Aqueduct for trainer Kiaran McLaughlin; Thomas Van Meter II and Maurice Miller's What a Tale, runner-up in the Iroquois for trainer Patrick Biancone; and Michael and Mary Kindred's Going Ballistic, winner of the Remington Park Magna Entertainment Mile on Oct. 20 for trainer Donnie K. Von Hemel.
The nominees to the Kentucky Jockey Club include impressive recent winners in Minefield, unbeaten in two races for trainer Todd Pletcher and owners Starlight Stable and Donald Lucarelli; William S. Farish and E.J. Hudson, Jr.'s Grasshopper, a sharp maiden winner at the KJC distance for trainer Neil Howard; and Winchell Thoroughbreds, LLC's Zanjero, an allowance winner for Blasi that has won two-of-three career starts.
Change Up leads the roster of 28 2-year-old fillies nominated to the Golden Rod off a career record that includes three wins in five races - including two stakes wins - for trainer Steve Flint. The Kleins' homebred daughter of Distorted Humor also won the Mountaineer Park Juvenile Fillies before she threw in her only poor effort, a seventh-place finish over the slop in the Arlington-Washington Breeders' Cup Futurity (GIII) at Arlington Park in September.
John Velazquez is scheduled to ride Change Up in the Golden Rod.
Other nominees considered likely for the Golden Rod include Mike Rutherford's Cohiba Miss, the winner of the Kentucky Cup Juvenile Fillies who was excluded from the overflow field for the Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (GI); Zayat Stables' Baroness Thatcher, sixth in the Pocahontas after being excluded from the Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies; Bentley Smith's Lady Joanne, third in the Pocahontas for trainer Carl Nafzger; and Joseph Novogratz' Pro Pink, runner-up to Datrick when she faced males in the Kentucky Breeders' Cup during Kentucky Derby Week at Churchill Downs.
Also nominated to the Golden Rod are three fillies that competed in the Breeders's Cup Juvenile Fillies. That group includes Heiligbrodt Racing Stable's Appealing Zophie, fourth to Dreaming of Anna in the Juvenile Fillies; Bruce Lunsford's Bel Air Beauty, eighth on Breeders' Cup Day; and Sarum Farm's Gatorize, who finished 12th out of 14 fillies in the Breeders' Cup race.

...what a surprise, he's nominated to get crushed again - as is Pro Pink, a filly they have who also has a load of ability but probably won't last long with the campaign they are putting her through.....shame

I'm sort of confused...did she come from the Nick Zito school of training or the D. Wayne Lukas school of training?

[The Bid]

No chance he runs

[ateamstupid]

1. Street Sense
2. Tiz Wonderful
3. Circular Quay
4. Nobiz Like Shobiz

I think those four could be shuffled any way.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

1. Street Sense
2. Tiz Wonderful
3. Circular Quay
4. Nobiz Like Shobiz

I think those four could be shuffled any way.

What he said.

Originally Posted by The Bid

No chance he runs

I didn't think there was a chance anybody would run a maiden winner in the BC Juvy after he just got drown in the Lane's End at KEE going long - but hey....

She seems to be forcing success instead of doing what's right by the horses....I think she can definately train fine, but she may want to campaign her stock a little lore realistically and let success come to her.

I agree with all mentioned. Here's a few more to keep in mind: Any Given Saturday, Dilemma(speed on the west coast), E Z Warrior, Ravel, and Sahara Heat. I also have several on my watch list that are working, but have yet to run. I also have several high priced colts with great pedigrees that have yet to work. These, I'm afraid are not going to get the much needed foundation, so will not be considered as Derby contenders by me.

[31lengths]

Originally Posted by oracle80

What he said.

What they said.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

1)Tiz Wonderful
2)Any Given Saturday
3)Manny,Moe
4)n' Jack

[todko]

This crop doesn't have any real standouts. That's not saying it won't produce one by Derby -- only that right now it looks iffy. I think you can throw out the entire BC Juvy field. Nothing there.

[avance2000]

if we are projecting forward to their 3yo years....i think great hunter deserves some more respect. i know his only significant win came over the tires, but this is a very consistent colt on the dirt too. out in cali he was trying to close over their speed tracks in races that were between 6f & 7f. that is not a formula for victory for most Aptitudes.
he is solid now....and most Aptitudes are like their pa and get better with age and increased distance.
i think he could be a big factor in the spring races next year.

i'll say:
1) great hunter
2) circular quay
3) street sense
4) nobizlikeshowbiz

Originally Posted by smartyalex

Thanks for mentioning Officer Rocket in your 3yo category. Had he not displaced in the Iriquois (which he still beat two of the seven horse field under extreme shortness of air!) I have a feeling he would be getting more respect. He is an amazing class horse who will be able to go the distance!

What makes you think he will get the distance? He certainly has distance on his dam side, but his sire side is speed. He might be able to get the distance, but it is too early to tell.

[smartyalex]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What makes you think he will get the distance? He certainly has distance on his dam side, but his sire side is speed. He might be able to get the distance, but it is too early to tell.

You are completely correct.....I may be a little anxious! And you also are correct that his dam (Ocean View) was able to go the distance. He worked Monday in 1:01 2/5. Galloped out in 15. Not bad for his first work back. He was barely "blowing" after the work. I think he's gonna be a very nice horse in the Holthus Stable!

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Buffy, I like Great Hunter too... I'm just wondering how much this colt will actually improve. He's been so consistent all season that it makes you wonder if he'll be able to have that jump from this year to next year as a 3 year old. He's definitely paid for himself, that's for sure... I think he was a $30k KEE Sept '05 colt. I like to see ones like him do well. .

Great Hunter is by Aptitude, who didn't hit his peak until he was 4; didn't even win a race at 2, didn't win a stakes at 3 (although 2nd in the Derby). His dam didn't win at 2, either, was SP at 3, and a SW at 4. It is rather amazing that he was as good at 2 as he has been. I would expect improvement as he matures.