Discreet Treasure

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The intent of his post, beyond all the nitpicking by the Texas Instrument-packing Student t-test freaks and Burkenstock wearing Corso/Sagan wannabes, was that this horse, Discreet Treasure, was probably better suited to the turf, and an opportunistic bet-against at very short-odds were he to reappear on a fast main track.

There is a very good chance that he will prove right in this respect.



The italicized I assume was the intent of your post...sorry you failed.

Alas, I can't quite come up with a fitting description of your behavior on this Summer's Eve (but I bet you could find it in the feminine needs section of your local Walgreen's)...



What "we" know? You harvesting fetal stem cells in your spare time? Or do you just, as your screenname suggests, have a massive pea garden?

The irony of this posturing as a latter day Gregor Mendel is that the monk himself died of a kidney infection, making your douche bag-like performance all the more appropriate...



You're just bitter no one here is calling you a Homo Universalis...

I'll grant you the first half of that phrase...not that there's anything wrong with that...



Appropriate quote for sure. The same guy suggested people dine on babies, which in a way was the crude origin of stem cell research...



Yeah, its just too bad that (a) handicapping and horse racing itself can never be distilled to an exact science and (b) we aren't strictly talking about genotype here, more so phenotype. Anyone want to revisit the 2004 North American 3yo turf crop to see who the prevailing dominant sire was at the time?

Never mind that concepts such as gene interaction, gene-linkage, and sex-linkage were completely ignored by all the righteous "correctors", which is what essentially was being arrived at (however "incorrect" a path it may have been) with the suggestion that coat color was linked to turf prowess (or stallion performance traits in general).
Oh, and since we are back to the concept of the feminine hy-"gene", how often should we practice this, you know, to avoid that pesky nephritis...

Glad we stayed on subject.
And I am glad you saw if fit to stay civil.
ANd its nice on this summer evening you can come to the rescue.

So go ahead explain the bolded to me. You know its a mess but you brought it up. So lets get your explaination. Time to squirm.

And since it is a mess, tell me why I made the statement that it is more likely offspring, especially male, tend to be more like their mothers in general? Which actually was the point of my post refuting what he said.

Man I read this again.

Do you help him to the potty?
God Lord...

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Glad we stayed on subject.
And I am glad you saw if fit to stay civil.
ANd its nice on this summer evening you can come to the rescue.

So go ahead explain the bolded to me. You know its a mess but you brought it up. So lets get your explaination. Time to squirm.

And since it is a mess, tell me why I made the statement that it is more likely offspring, especially male, tend to be more like their mothers in general? Which actually was the point of my post refuting what he said.

Whoa, there, Watson or Crick! Thanks for majoring in genetics so that you could come on here and give everyone the high hat.

Of course, its more likely you just read something from Ann Bowling's book on equine genetics or "Racehorse Breeding Theories" or "The X Factor" and think you know everything about the transference of mitochondrial DNA or the amount of genetic material on a Y-chromosome (if you happen to be a woman--is this a molecular form of "penis envy"?) versus the X-chromosome.

Independently assort this drivel as you see fit, between douching that is...

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Whoa, there, Watson or Crick! Thanks for majoring in genetics so that you could come on here and give everyone the high hat.

Of course, its more likely you just read something from Ann Bowling's book on equine genetics or "Racehorse Breeding Theories" or "The X Factor" and think you know everything about the transference of mitochondrial DNA or the amount of genetic material on a Y-chromosome (if you happen to be a woman--is this a molecular form of "penis envy"?) versus the X-chromosome.

Independently assort this drivel as you see fit, between douching that is...

What is frkkn gene is in the mitochondrial DNA that might be incredibly critical?
And I have not read an ounce of that work. Was this done before the thoroughbred genome was mapped?
And you apparently do know how wrong the statement most was... like your mate has never jumped on
anyone for being wrong. And good guess but I did not major in genetics.

You can stop with the childish sex references.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Man I read this again.

Do you help him to the potty?
God Lord...

Your mother would be proud of you for this post.

But your dad probably doesn't give a sh!t (no pun intended), cuz as we all know now, he isn't as responsible for as many of your genes (Mervyn's High Sierra brand?) as dear old mom is...

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Your mother would be proud of you for this post.

But your dad probably doesn't give a sh!t (no pun intended), cuz as we all know now, he isn't as responsible for as many of your genes (Mervyn's High Sierra brand?) as dear old mom is...

My mother?
My mother is long gone. How did you figure she would be proud?
Dead people usually dont give a sh it as far as I know, same for dad.

So it is time to squirm, or hopefully not. Please answer the questions last post. I need to know.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pgardn

My mother?
My mother is long gone. How did you figure she would be proud?
Dead people usually dont give a sh it as far as I know, same for dad.

So it is time to squirm, or hopefully not. Please answer the questions last post. I need to know.

What happened to the posts affecting a Swift-like meter?

Those were easier to ignore.

As far your question about the potty, that would be "no", but if you want a brief course I'll direct you to the SNL parody "Oops I Crapped My Pants"...let's say this pitcher of ice tea is a gallon of your own feces...

If you meant the mitochondrial DNA, well I'm certainly no expert, but seeing how mitochondria are responsible for energy production via the utilization of oxygen, I'd imagine some genius in a lab coat with a few hundred lab rats to "euthanize" on the edge of a countertop later that afternoon came up with the brilliant idea that "good" mitochondria (passed on by superior dams) would be "gooder" at using oxygen and making horsey go faster to win...

Stop, Dave...I'm afraid Dave...

Daisy, Daisy...Give Me Your Answer Do...

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What happened to the posts affecting a Swift-like meter?

Those were easier to ignore.

As far your question about the potty, that would be "no", but if you want a brief course I'll direct you to the SNL parody "Oops I Crapped My Pants"...let's say this pitcher of ice tea is a gallon of your own feces...

If you meant the mitochondrial DNA, well I'm certainly no expert, but seeing how mitochondria are responsible for energy production via the utilization of oxygen, I'd imagine some genius in a lab coat with a few hundred lab rats to "euthanize" on the edge of a countertop later that afternoon came up with the brilliant idea that "good" mitochondrial (passed on by superior dams) would be "gooder" at using oxygen and making horsey go faster to win...

Stop, Dave...I'm afraid Dave...

Daisy, Daisy...Give Me Your Answer Do...

Holy cow dont go ape on your monitor just settle down.
Seriously have you been drinking or what...

Dammit. I thought I had an answer coming.
I really did. You had me going.

But I will give you credit. You know he was wrong and got
called. And that apparently cant be tolerated easily.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Holy cow dont go ape on your monitor just settle down.
Seriously have you been drinking or what...

Dammit. I thought I had an answer coming.
I really did. You had me going.

But I will give you credit. You know he was wrong and got
called. And that apparently cant be tolerated easily.

I'm not sure what question you are referring to or what answer you expect, Tom Petty...

Sorry to be a Heartbreaker...

"I Need To Know"?...

Who the fucl< are you, the Sphinx on the Road to Thebes?

How many legs do you walk on? Look up the word "hubris"...

Then shut the fucl< up...mostly so's I can, too...

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I'm not sure what question you are referring to or what answer you expect, Tom Petty...

Sorry to be a Heartbreaker...

"I Need To Know"?...

Who the fucl< are you, the Sphinx on the Road to Thebes?

How many legs do you walk on? Look up the word "hubris"...

Then shut the fucl< up...mostly so's I can, too...

Total Overload.

hubris... after what you just type out with all your strange little references...
God god.
Dry well. Oh well...
Sweet wildly spinning dreams.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Total Overload.

hubris... after what you just type out with all your strange little references...

Oh, I would never argue that this wasn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black. That's pretty much the basis of all human interaction, noting your own personal flaws in other's behavior and giving them hell for it.

By the way, most of my "strange" references are at the grade school level, so for a guy who fancies himself a master of all things biochemical (yeah, I took all those 50 question scantron tests, too), its kinda strange that you can't handle references to Oedipus Rex or 2001: A Space Odyssey...

God god.

There is only one god. I think he's the Highlander.

Dry well. Oh well...Sweet wildly spinning dreams.

Yes, like the double helices you use to climb your little Tower of Babel and sit upon your porcelain throne. Considering the crap you spew, certainly that pot is not dry.

Use should try some magic beans sometime. Not everything is within reason.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

its kinda strange that you can't handle references to Oedipus Rex or 2001: A Space Odyssey...

Stop, Dave...I'm afraid Dave...

Daisy, Daisy...Give Me Your Answer Do...

dont go ape on your monitor...

Sometimes I dont read too closely either so I go back and look.

Insecurity issues off the chart.
You dont need to prove anything to me about yourself.
Next time just dont bother playing pet bulldog, its waste of time...
For both of us.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pgardn

dont go ape on your monitor...

Sometimes I dont read too closely either so I go back and look.

My bad. I guess you could handle a reference to one of the most popular movies ever made. Good on you.

Not that it was ever my intent to stump you with something so basic anyways, rather it was to mock your condescending tone and yet concurrent childish behavior throughout this thread. I thought the pathetic pleas of an arrogant supercomputer like HAL as it devolved into a mere recording of a children's song was quite the appropriate analogy to get my point across.

Could you feel it?

Insecurity issues off the chart.

Interesting. I'm not the one who questions every post with a "I need to know" or "I need help" or "What does this mean?" which is basically a thinly veiled form of passive-agressive baiting that cries out, "I know something you don't" (which you conveniently fail to ever divulge). If your great at cutting out the chaff, then where's the wheat already? So far all there's been is a bunch of hot hair under that high hat...

You dont need to prove anything to me about yourself.

Not trying to. Just wanted you to know that you weren't the only megalomaniac on here (something that probably irks you) lest you think your persistent and pretensious bullying on here was gonna go on unimpeded.

Next time just dont bother playing pet bulldog, its waste of time...
For both of us.

This is essentially a rehashing of what I posted earlier, specifically:

" Look up the word "hubris"...Then shut the fucl< up...mostly so's I can, too..."

Glad you finally figured it out.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Look at a horse like Kip Deville - who's like the consensus top turf horse in the land right now. He's a Roan.

KD's sire Kipling is a bay and his dam Klondike Kaytie is a roan.

Kip Deville and his dam, Klondike Kaytie are both grey, not roan. Most any thoroughbred that people would say are roan, are probably a chestnut with sabino or rabicano markings that make them look roan or they are just grey.

However, I am baffled by the statement about Discreet Treasure taking on El Prado's grey gene having anything to do with him being a turf horse. I always thought that would have to do more with his foot size and shape and the way he travels.

I actually called a few people I know that breed and that work for some major farms, and nobody could give me a real answer though. Some thought it was non-sense, while some thought maybe it could have some truth to it. Maybe someone going for a PHD can take a look at it and have a nice thesis project...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ARyan

Kip Deville and his dam, Klondike Kaytie are both grey, not roan.

Whatever.

According to her papers - Klondike Kaytie is a roan. Kip Deville is classified as grey/Roan - as are two of his half siblings by a pair of different sires.

[philcski]

From someone who knows a lot more about this stuff than me, for what it's worth:

Gray/roan and chestnut colors are both recessive genes (i.e., both parents have to contribute their respective side for the color to be as such.) Neither have a direct correlation to physical performance contribution from one side or the other.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

My bad. I guess you could handle a reference to one of the most popular movies ever made. Good on you.

Not that it was ever my intent to stump you with something so basic anyways, rather it was to mock your condescending tone and yet concurrent childish behavior throughout this thread. I thought the pathetic pleas of an arrogant supercomputer like HAL as it devolved into a mere recording of a children's song was quite the appropriate analogy to get my point across.

Could you feel it?



Interesting. I'm not the one who questions every post with a "I need to know" or "I need help" or "What does this mean?" which is basically a thinly veiled form of passive-agressive baiting that cries out, "I know something you don't" (which you conveniently fail to ever divulge). If your great at cutting out the chaff, then where's the wheat already? So far all there's been is a bunch of hot hair under that high hat...



Not trying to. Just wanted you to know that you weren't the only megalomaniac on here (something that probably irks you) lest you think your persistent and pretensious bullying on here was gonna go on unimpeded.



This is essentially a rehashing of what I posted earlier, specifically:

" Look up the word "hubris"...Then shut the fucl< up...mostly so's I can, too..."

Glad you finally figured it out.

I brought up one point, one , in order to point out an inaccuracy
and you explode with trivia. Trivia in which you actually indicated you knew
the fallacy of the statement and then tried to prove... I dont know what. If you call that bullying, well I bullied a bully as did another poster who also realized the same thing. A poster I know nothing about.

I thought you might know something I am very interested in.
That is what the other part was about. You indicated an
understanding in one part of something I am interested in
so I looked for a possible answer. I ask questions to learn.

And again, how you could even use the word hubris after your
hissy fit is amusing.

I agree, enough.

And dude, could ya stop cussing so much.

[Bigsmc]

MTO going 11f ????

Wow.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

MTO going 11f ????

Wow.

I think if they come off the turf at that distance they actually run 9F at Saratoga.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Whatever.

According to her papers - Klondike Kaytie is a roan. Kip Deville is classified as grey/Roan - as are two of his half siblings by a pair of different sires.

Genetically speaking roans don't exist in the TB breed. If the horse lightened with age, it's grey, not roan. The Jockey Club just doesn't want to believe such stuff. It's too technical for them.
Grey is not a color at all, but (genetically) a "modifier." "Grey" causes continued depigmentation of darker colored hair. http://www.equinecolor.com/grey.html

Roan is a color pattern entirely unrelated to grey. A roan is born roan and stays the same (with some variation for winter/summer coats etc.) throught it's life. Roans typically have less roaning (therefore darker coats on) legs and heads. http://www.equinecolor.com/roan.html

Some breeders do look for physical resemblance to a parent to project aptitude. I recall reading about Secretariat's first crop and one of the concerns was that Sec wasn't "stamping" his get. They didn't look like him. It was considered a negative that his offspring bore far more resemblance to their respective dams than to Big Red. Breeders took it as a sign that they wouldn't have near his talent. Interestingly, his first good son, General Assmbly DID look like Sec. Of course Risen Star looked nothing like his sire, so there!

Discreet Cat's brother is entered as an MTO so they clearly are not looking for a grass race for him now.