Maimonides will win the Derby

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I haven't seen the race, but I heard that he has a nice way of going so that he's not too hard on his legs. Who knows. It seems like the ones that are extremely fast and talented are always the ones that hurt themselves the easiest.

no the ones that get hurt the most are the ones who are working bullets in June of their two year old seasons.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

no the ones that get hurt the most are the ones who are working bullets in June of their two year old seasons.

Like those 46.2's and 58's this one was doing in June?

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

My bet is they when they ship him back to run in SOCAL he will get beat by a cheap claiming horse.

because the SoCal horses are so much stronger?

[Riot]

Very exciting and impressive - he'll be fun to watch!

The horse looked great running on the dirt, but if he is going to make it to the derby, with his fragile pedigree, he better find a nice polytrack to train on. I prefer dirt racing, but polytrack is much much easier on a young horse. I say 2-5 he doesn't even make the derby.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

The horse looked great running on the dirt, but if he is going to make it to the derby, with his fragile pedigree, he better find a nice polytrack to train on. I prefer dirt racing, but polytrack is much much easier on a young horse. I say 2-5 he doesn't even make the derby.

I dont understand why Maimonides' pedigree is fragile just because his sire was injured.. Horses just get hurt sometimes and it is not always the pedigree's fault!

Vindication has been outstanding with his 2yo's so far. We can not classify that he is fragile. Supposedly, Vindication is the horse that most looks like his father, Seattle Slew. He is also out of a Strawberry Road mare who was a decent race horse. I for one think he will be an excellent sire, just like he was a great racehorse in his short career.

On to Maimonides, his race was awesome today. Top juve type awesome. I wont be surprised if he has a stellar year! He is a beautiful colt also!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not only was his sire fragile, but the dam had thrown 6 runners that I have found. They have combined to make 46 total starts or an average of about 8 start per runner she foals. She was also unraced, from what i can find, and has foot issues. Maimonides 2 most famous siblings, Roman Ruler and El Corredor had foot issues. That's pretty fragile. He has a world of talent obviously, and hopefully he has a nice full career. However, with that purchase price, pedigree and family history, I'm not holding my breath.

Not to mention Baffert standing at the rail yelling "Faster! Faster!"

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not only was his sire fragile, but the dam had thrown 6 runners that I have found. They have combined to make 46 total starts or an average of about 8 start per runner she foals. She was also unraced, from what i can find, and has foot issues. Maimonides 2 most famous siblings, Roman Ruler and El Corredor had foot issues. That's pretty fragile. He has a world of talent obviously, and hopefully he has a nice full career. However, with that purchase price, pedigree and family history, I'm not holding my breath.

didnt I already say that....is there an echo in here, or am i bouncing off to many message boards

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

She was also unraced.

His unraced dam was kin to a pair of horses who did compile 50 or more starts in their career.

In order to bring the $4.6 million he fetched as a yearling, he also had to be very correct.

I really hope this horse does well.

It might start a trend where others who pay fortunes for horses at select yearling sales, don't keep them in mothballs as 2-year-olds.....you know, like Godolphin is doing right now.

[miraja2]

The fact that his sire and broodmare sire COMBINED for only 6 lifetime starts is of course a cause for concern about his ability to stay healthy.
Health issues aside however, I think the thing about this horse's pedigree to keep in mind is that he is tailor-made for being a good 2yo. His sire was obviously a very fast 2yo who has already sired some nice 2yos, his broodmare sire was also a graded stakes winner at 2, and his dam has already produced a multiple-graded stakes winner at 2. Clearly he comes from a family of fast-developing horses.
That doesn't mean that he might not be a good 3yo too, but it does increase the chances that while others colts improve dramatically over the next 12 months, this one may already be close to his peak.

[MisterB]

Baffert looked like a bum in the winners circle. He could have change his jeans, and shirt.

[CoronadosQuest]

He recieved a 89 BSF.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

But if you think him doing well will change anything that is going on in this game right now, I disagree.

The fact that he was drilling fast workouts in June of his 2-year-old season, is why I want to see him do well.

Him doing well might lead to Godolphin tweaking the philosophy they have of babying their expensive yearlings.

That's what I was referring to.

[SniperSB23]

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...sdate=8/9/2007

Baffert colt dazzles
Maimonides wins debut by whopping 11 lengths

By TIM WILKIN, Staff writer
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First published: Thursday, August 9, 2007

SARATOGA SPRINGS -- Bob Baffert showed up at Saratoga for the first time this season on Wednesday and, boy, did the trainer bring a horse that can run.
The 2-year-old colt Maimonides made an eye-popping debut in the second race, winning the 5-furlong sprint by 11 lengths. Maimonides, a $4.6 million purchase at the Keeneland September yearling sales, covered the distance in 1:04.41.


"This is a very nice horse," Baffert said in the winner's circle. "I ran this horse like an old horse. You don't normally put a 2-year-old on a plane and ship him in and run him in a maiden race."

Baffert really had no choice. Owner Ahmed Zayat removed all his horses -- including Maimonides -- from the grounds at Del Mar in California after a dispute with racing management over the Polytrack surface

"I am sure some people in Del Mar were not rooting for this horse today," Baffert said. "But he overcame everything."

Ridden by Rafael Bejarano, Maimonides was never headed and probably could have won by more.

Baffert said it was the first time he has won a maiden race at the Spa.

"When you pay $4.6 million for them and they are 1-2 (odds), then it means the whole world knows about them," Baffert said. "When you pay $4.6 million and they are 10-1, well, that's pressure."

Baffert did not rule out running Maimonides, a son of Vindication, in the Hopeful here on the final weekend.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I really don't know Hossy, you have to remember that in just the first day of last years Keeneland Sep yearling sale, Shiek Maktoum spent $29.6 million. He was active in 2-year-old in training sale and he has so many homebreds.

Yet, Godolphin has only had three or four two-year-olds to start so far. All of which in Europe.