Tuesday primaries

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Originally Posted by wiphan

Walker fixed it. Let's not Falk it up. We couldn't Barrett.

[Riot]

"Walker fixed it"

Fixed what? Not jobs: Wisconsin had worst in the country private sector numbers, 23,000 loss. Not the budget: he had to steal money to try and cover his losses. Not unions: they gave him everything he asked for as far as concessions, he busted them anyway in accordance with what ALEC and the RGA told him to do.

Walker is a mouthpiece and a short-leashed dog for his corporate owners. They are pouring millions in from out of state to try and keep him in office. Walker has spent more time out of state raising money than in it.

Good luck! May the best man win - even if the GOP attempt to restrict voting access was overturned in court.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Walker fixed it"

Fixed what? Not jobs: Wisconsin had worst in the country private sector numbers, 23,000 loss. Not the budget: he had to steal money to try and cover his losses. Not unions: they gave him everything he asked for as far as concessions, he busted them anyway in accordance with what ALEC and the RGA told him to do.

Walker is a mouthpiece and a short-leashed dog for his corporate owners. They are pouring millions in from out of state to try and keep him in office. Walker has spent more time out of state raising money than in it.

Good luck! May the best man win - even if the GOP attempt to restrict voting access was overturned in court.

How much money has been saved by the actions that governor walker has taken? What does the budget look like compared to when Doyle was in office? Where are the job losses in the state? Are they in Milwaukee where the democratic candidate has been Mayor? What has Barrett done to bring jobs or business to Milwaukee (oh yeah he wants a street car that no one else wants)? How much time has Walker had in office and how has the political climate been with all the crying by the democrats? If you were a business owner would you bring jobs to WI based on the amount of political BS that has been going on in the state or would you wait until it all shakes out? Democrats complain about jobs losses, but they have done everything they can to create more job losses? Barrett saved Milwaukee $25 million by using the reforms that governor Walker gave him. Barrett also complained that Walker didn't go far enough with the collective bargaining by excluding the police and fire unions.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

How much money has been saved by the actions that governor walker has taken? What does the budget look like compared to when Doyle was in office? Where are the job losses in the state? Are they in Milwaukee where the democratic candidate has been Mayor? What has Barrett done to bring jobs or business to Milwaukee (oh yeah he wants a street car that no one else wants)? How much time has Walker had in office and how has the political climate been with all the crying by the democrats? If you were a business owner would you bring jobs to WI based on the amount of political BS that has been going on in the state or would you wait until it all shakes out? Democrats complain about jobs losses, but they have done everything they can to create more job losses? Barrett saved Milwaukee $25 million by using the reforms that governor Walker gave him. Barrett also complained that Walker didn't go far enough with the collective bargaining by excluding the police and fire unions.

Barrett has already lost to Walker. The citizens have seen what Walker has done, and will judge accordingly. Enough citizens have chosen the chance to have a do-over on the last election, so that it is happening.

And more recalls, aside from the ones that already happened, are up for vote.

We'll know in 4 weeks. 1,316,000 people voted in the primary, 670,000 for Dems, 646,000 for Republicans. The GOP has to make up 24,000 votes to catch up to the Dems and tie. Turnout will matter.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Barrett has already lost to Walker. The citizens have seen what Walker has done, and will judge accordingly. Enough citizens have chosen the chance to have a do-over on the last election, so that it is happening.

And more recalls, aside from the ones that already happened, are up for vote.

We'll know in 4 weeks.

ok, I get it now. Thanks for clarifying. Let's not let the actual facts get in the way the discussion.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

ok, I get it now. Thanks for clarifying. Let's not let the actual facts get in the way the discussion.

What facts? Walker's 23,000 job loss is well-documented and has been discussed here before. As has his budget deficit and his manovers to cover it up. His performance is what it is. So is Barrett's. Neither is an unknown quantity. The voters will judge both on their records.

I hope the turnout is massive and historic, so the state gets a true representative vote on what the majority wants.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What facts? Walker's 23,000 job loss is well-documented and has been discussed here before. As has his budget deficit and his manovers to cover it up. His performance is what it is. So is Barrett's. The voters will judge.

If this was based on Job performance there would be no point in an election at all because Walker would CRUSH BARRETT. Can you tell me one good thing that Tom Barrett has done for the City of Milwaukee since he has been mayor? Deep tunnel project, MPS, his claim he was going to take over MPS?, Property taxes?, Unemployment?, Teen pregnancy rates?, Infant mortality rates?, budget? Black Male unemployment? Employment in the city at all? Luring businesses to Milwaukee? Do you have anything?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

If this was based on Job performance there would be no point in an election at all because Walker would CRUSH BARRETT.

You'd think Walker would run on that, then.

Can you tell me one good thing that Tom Barrett has done for the City of Milwaukee since he has been mayor? Deep tunnel project, MPS, his claim he was going to take over MPS?, Property taxes?, Unemployment?, Teen pregnancy rates?, Infant mortality rates?, budget? Black Male unemployment? Employment in the city at all? Luring businesses to Milwaukee? Do you have anything?

I would take a talking cheese head over Scott Walker, thanks. As the unions who supported Falk said today, 110% with Barrett, to get Walker out. I consider Walker a disaster, and Tom Barrett not. You are free to campaign against Barrett all you want. Go for it.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You'd think Walker would run on that, then.



I would take a talking cheese head over Scott Walker, thanks. As the unions who supported Falk said today, 110% with Barrett, to get Walker out. I consider Walker a disaster, and Tom Barrett not. You are free to campaign against Barrett all you want. Go for it.

ok I get it. You have nothing. You dislike Walker and what he has done. There is no logic to voting for your candidate and you are just voting against Walker. You can't point out 1 single thing that your candidate has done positively for the City of Milwaukee in the entire time he has been Mayor, but yet you want him to lead the state. Glad you don't vote in WI or maybe you do because we don't require an ID to vote.....

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

ok I get it. You have nothing. You dislike Walker and what he has done. There is no logic to voting for your candidate and you are just voting against Walker. You can't point out 1 single thing that your candidate has done positively for the City of Milwaukee in the entire time he has been Mayor, but yet you want him to lead the state. Glad you don't vote in WI or maybe you do because we don't require an ID to vote.....

Yes, I would absolutely "just" vote against Walker, be the winner of the primary Falk or Barrett. Sorta like people that would vote anybody against Obama? You know anybody like that? <vbg>

In my estimation, Walker has been a disaster for Wisconsin, and Barrett - and the new, non-GOP majority legislature - will undo much of what Walker has done that I do not like in the remainder of the term.

If they win. No, I do not vote in Wisconsin, but I have many relatives that do, and I certainly will support Barrett financially. Especially as Walker is owned by Texas oil money. Barrett needs the help.

IMO Walker is a corporate-owned dog on a leash, he's a disaster, and I want him out of the governorship, so badly that I fully support the other nearly one-million Wisconsinites that think the same, and legally completed the process to get Walker into this recall election. Democracy - it's a beautiful thing.

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As I've been reminding all on WI websites

Whether Rep or Dem if you are an illegal, a convicted felon or for some other reason are forbidden to vote I'd suggest you not partake in either the upcoming WI election or for that matter the next national election as the voting rolls will be scrutinized like never before.

And thank you WI dems for again putting public unions before jobs, education, reducing taxes, teen pregnancy and crime with the nomination of Mayor Barrett.

Makes an easy job even easier for the elected Gov.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Walker fixed it"

Fixed what? Not jobs: Wisconsin had worst in the country private sector numbers, 23,000 loss. Not the budget: he had to steal money to try and cover his losses. Not unions: they gave him everything he asked for as far as concessions, he busted them anyway in accordance with what ALEC and the RGA told him to do.

Walker is a mouthpiece and a short-leashed dog for his corporate owners. They are pouring millions in from out of state to try and keep him in office. Walker has spent more time out of state raising money than in it.

Good luck! May the best man win - even if the GOP attempt to restrict voting access was overturned in court.

Now about those job numbers

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...151655365.html

Keep trying to spin it any way you want. Try to attack Walker, but the REAL NUMBERS Don't LIE!

Oh yeah the DNC told Barrett that they are not sending any money his way.

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Originally Posted by wiphan

Now about those job numbers

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...151655365.html

Keep trying to spin it any way you want. Try to attack Walker, but the REAL NUMBERS Don't LIE!

Oh yeah the DNC told Barrett that they are not sending any money his way.

He won't need it, he has Riot and the Unions to help him.
Stop using math, actual math has no place in these discussions, only theoretical math is welcome here mouth breather!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Now about those job numbers

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...151655365.html

It's nice that Walker found an outlier, a measure not used normally, to try and say he created jobs. He's pretty desperate, especially with the John Doe investigation about felonies in his office ongoing, and his budget disaster.

The way we always and usually measure jobs says differently, of course. From your article:

State officials said they show a gain of 23,321 jobs (public and private) between December 2010 and December 2011, which represents Gov. Scott Walker's first full year in office.

That stands in sharp contrast to a commonly used and widely reported monthly jobs measure, the Current Employment Survey, which earlier this year showed an estimated loss of 33,900 jobs in Wisconsin for the same 12-month period.

Wiphan wrote: Keep trying to spin it any way you want. Try to attack Walker, but the REAL NUMBERS Don't LIE!

That's right. The "real" numbers, that every state uses, that Walker used to use before last year turned out so badly, says Wisconsin was the worse job creation state in the country last year.

Oh yeah the DNC told Barrett that they are not sending any money his way.

Yeah, I read that. They asked for a half-million dollars. There was some fund-raising thing the last two days in response that raised over 250K, I know; and a teachers union just gave that half-million yesterday to make it up.

DNC is coming to Wisconsin to help GOTV, unknown if they will bring their checkbook. It is difficult, as Walker is using virtually 100% of "outside money" to try and hold his seat. He's ahead by 5 points at worse from the polling I've seen, so the Dems have a big task for voter turnout. It helps for the GOP that the GOP obstruction to delay the election until after the universities are dismissed worked. Their attempted obstruction of voter ID at the polls has been overturned by the courts, so that's a GOP loss and a Dem-Independent gain.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's nice that Walker found an outlier, a measure not used normally, to try and say he created jobs. He's pretty desperate, especially with the John Doe investigation about felonies in his office ongoing, and his budget disaster.

The way we always and usually measure jobs says differently, of course. From your article:





That's right. The "real" numbers, that every state uses, that Walker used to use before last year turned out so badly, says Wisconsin was the worse job creation state in the country last year.



Yeah, I read that. They asked for a half-million dollars. There was some fund-raising thing the last two days in response that raised over 250K, I know; and a teachers union just gave that half-million yesterday to make it up.

DNC is coming to Wisconsin to help GOTV, unknown if they will bring their checkbook. It is difficult, as Walker is using virtually 100% of "outside money" to try and hold his seat.

you are so predictable it is hilarious....

Yeah a survey of a small portion of employers is far better than actual payroll tax records..... (remember the source of the story, a very bias liberal newspaper)

In Wisconsin under governor Walker the 3rd grade test scores are substantially better than when Govenor Doyle was in office so now we actually can do Math in our state.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

you are so predictable it is hilarious....

Yeah a survey of a small portion of employers is far better than actual payroll tax records..... (remember the source of the story, a very bias liberal newspaper)

In Wisconsin under governor Walker the 3rd grade test scores are substantially better than when Govenor Doyle was in office so now we actually can do Math in our state.

Well, no, the other major Wisconsin job loss documentation is the commonly used (even by Walker) federal government jobs numbers. They said -23,000 losses last year. They have Wisconsin rated the worse job loss state in the nation. That's indisputable. The article you quoted has even more job losses. Ouch! I can see why Walker is desperate to try and say he created jobs in the face of those terrible numbers.

Again, glad Walker found something to show differently than every other usually-used measure.

Oh: and that tape catching Walker lying about his intention to union bust, to his huge donor ... ouch!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, no, the other major Wisconsin job loss documentation is the commonly used (even by Walker) federal government jobs numbers. They said -23,000 losses last year. They have Wisconsin rated the worse job loss state in the nation. That's indisputable. The article you quoted has even more job losses. Ouch! I can see why Walker is desperate to try and say he created jobs in the face of those terrible numbers.

Again, glad Walker found something to show differently than every other usually-used measure.

Oh: and that tape catching Walker lying about his intention to union bust, to his huge donor ... ouch!

Keep trying to redirect, change the subject etc. Fact is that WI had job gains, not losses. Fact is that if the political climate was better the job creation would be higher. If the democrats didn't waste all the money, time, etc on the recalls then we would have higher job creation. Fact is that the democrats stopped the mining bill and prevented more job creation. Fact is Tom Barrett has done nothing to create jobs (well he does want a Streetcar). Fact is the democrats and you are hoping that the state fails under Walker at all costs (even to the detriment of the working people).

Your logic is that a survey is better than cold hard facts.

Oh yeah new poll shows Walker's lead getting bigger. Based on your logic we don't need to even hold the recall election since the polls show Walker is ahead by 6 points.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Keep trying to redirect, change the subject etc. Fact is that WI had job gains, not losses.

According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics (the nationally-recognized standard) Wisconsin lost 23,000 jobs in 2011, the worse state in the national (every other state posted equality or gains)

The newspaper article you posted listed 39,000 jobs lost via different method. And then a method used by Walker alone to show that everyone else is wrong, he's really created jobs.

I'll stick with the historical accuracy and common use of the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, used nationally and for some time to accurately quantitate job losses in all states.

Fact is that if the political climate was better the job creation would be higher. If the democrats didn't waste all the money, time, etc on the recalls then we would have higher job creation. Fact is that the democrats stopped the mining bill and prevented more job creation. Fact is Tom Barrett has done nothing to create jobs (well he does want a Streetcar).

Those are opinion. Not fact. There is a difference, you know.

Fact is the democrats and you are hoping that the state fails under Walker at all costs (even to the detriment of the working people).

I can't speak for "the Democrats" (and either can you) but no, I do not hope Wisconsin fails.

IMO, the Walker adminstration has been already been a disaster for Wisconsin, and the fail exists now: lying, budget overruns, union busting, job loss.

I am working hard to help contribute to his recall be effective, and for Walker to be voted out of office.

Your logic is that a survey is better than cold hard facts.

Oh yeah new poll shows Walker's lead getting bigger. Based on your logic we don't need to even hold the recall election since the polls show Walker is ahead by 6 points.

What "survey" are you referring to? What "logic"?

I mentioned is that Walker is ahead of Barrett in the polls now by, at the least, 5 points (range 5-6). That's fact, not "logic". You're just not making sense now.

In honor of your anger and discomfit, I just donated another $50 to Tom Barrett via Act Blue for his ads.

He's five points behind, he needs all the help he can get against Walker's outside oil money and national backers for the ALEC and Koch Brothers agenda. Scott Walker is a liar, and needs to be voted out of office. I am glad there is a historic recall election of this governor, he deserves it. I certainly stand behind my friends and family working hard to do so in Wisconsin. You are free to vote for Walker, and work hard for his re-election.