Gulfstream DQ 12/26 Race 8 - Page 2

freddymo · #21 12-27-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Anyone else impacted by this today? I'm biased because I bet the horse that was DQ'd but I'm trying to rationalize the DQ and I just can't. The horse that was allegedly interfered with was not cost a placing and the winner was multiple lengths the best.

With all of the talk about trying to attract new bettors and keep the ones we have, it seems like DQ's like this do nothing but deter people from playing our game. I can't blame them.

Steve, not sure if you are planning on having Tim Ritvo on anytime soon, but I'd be interested in hearing him or someone at Gulfstream provide an explanation for this. We're owed as much I think.

Maybe when Vic has a minute he can review the race and tell you how he would have governed the objection. He is a pro

Dahoss · #22 12-27-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB

I been down the road on many DQ's, I don't get all wrapped up in it like others do. If you play, you know what can happen. Nice try to derail the topic though. In fact, I didn't play the race.

Not derailing the topic at all. You did that. The topic was the takedown. Not Maragh or his history in your opinion. You don't like Maragh. Great, no one cares.

I don't like being robbed, which is what happened here.

MisterB · #23 12-27-2011, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Not derailing the topic at all. You did that. The topic was the takedown. Not Maragh or his history in your opinion. You don't like Maragh. Great, no one cares.

I don't like being robbed, which is what happened here.

Your horse had a bad ride, I pointed it out. You brought my son into it. You gambled, you lost. Get it? You think you got robbed, I think you got what the track gave all the bettors. Maybe next time.

Dahoss · #24 12-27-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Your horse had a bad ride, I pointed it out. You brought my son into it. You gambled, you lost. Get it? You think you got robbed, I think you got what the track gave all the bettors. Maybe next time.

The ride was pretty good in fact. He received a bad ride in his previous race, which was what made him attractive to me. I was right. But I and others got robbed by incompetent stewards.

That's the issue. It's not about gambling and losing. It's about expecting some kind of competency by the people making these decisions because we are betting our money with the expectation that the decisions will be dealt with fairly.

Apparently that's too much to ask by you and we wonder why we as bettors we are treated like crap.

MisterB · #25 12-27-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

The ride was pretty good in fact. He received a bad ride in his previous race, which was what made him attractive to me. I was right. But I and others got robbed by incompetent stewards.

That's the issue. It's not about gambling and losing. It's about expecting some kind of competency by the people making these decisions because we are betting our money with the expectation that the decisions will be dealt with fairly.

Apparently that's too much to ask by you and we wonder why we as bettors we are treated like crap.

You think incompentent stewards only work in GP? They breed them. They are everywhere. Move on, it's not changing anytime soon.

Dahoss · #26 12-27-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB

You think incompentent stewards only work in GP? They breed them. They are everywhere. Move on, it's not changing anytime soon.

If we ever have a commissioner for the sport, you should run.

blackthroatedwind · #27 12-27-2011, 02:12 PM

So, let me get this straight, a horse was taken down yesterday because its rider has commited fouls, in high profile races no less, in the past....and bettors should ( be real men and ) suck it up?

That makes a lot of sense.

Indian Charlie · #28 12-27-2011, 03:47 PM

Hoss and BTW, Mister B is right about one thing. You guys need to move on.

Move on from arguing with someone who is hopelessly wrong.

herkhorse · #29 12-27-2011, 04:31 PM

It didn't cost me anything, but I'm still pissed about the Goldikova non take down.

Danzig · #30 12-27-2011, 06:07 PM

its a shame that an owner, a trainer and many bettors lost out because of a riders reputation. there has to be a better way to deal with poor riding tactics. if the horse didnt lose a placing due to another jock, what justification can there be for a change in order? saying thats life is no explanation. its in everyones best interest that stewards get it right. there needs to be protocol and it needs to be followed, with consequences for incorrect calls.

#31 12-27-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

its a shame that an owner, a trainer and many bettors lost out because of a riders reputation. there has to be a better way to deal with poor riding tactics. if the horse didnt lose a placing due to another jock, what justification can there be for a change in order? saying thats life is no explanation. its in everyones best interest that stewards get it right. there needs to be protocol and it needs to be followed, with consequences for incorrect calls.

Any other sport, an inexperienced athlete gets sent down to the minors to learn the game. There should be some sort of level of competence when riding horses in big circuits.

GPK · #32 12-27-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11

Any other sport, an inexperienced athlete gets sent down to the minors to learn the game. There should be some sort of level of competence when riding horses in big circuits.

That would lead to 3 horse fields in KY, NY and Cali, and add to the already starving jocks at Beulah, Mountaineer, Zia Park ('sup Ken Tohill)

MaTH716 · #33 12-27-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

That would lead to 3 horse fields in KY, NY and Cali, and add to the already starving jocks at Beulah, Mountaineer, Zia Park ('sup Ken Tohill)

Kev, It sounds like the jockey colonies at your favorite tracks are about to get a lot better.

GPK · #34 12-27-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Kev, It sounds like the jockey colonies at your favorite tracks are about to get a lot better.

As long as Jose Ferrer

stays the hell away from TBD, I don't give a rats bunghole who moves their tac.

Dahoss · #35 12-27-2011, 07:40 PM

I actually think Rajiv Maragh is a pretty good rider. He's made some really poor decisions in 2 races and luckily no one has been seriously injured as a result. But I feel as though that is the exception rather than the rule on him.

#36 12-27-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

That would lead to 3 horse fields in KY, NY and Cali, and add to the already starving jocks at Beulah, Mountaineer, Zia Park ('sup Ken Tohill)

There are certainly better jockeys at these lower level tracks that would ride circles around jokes like Maylan Studart, Alonso Quinonez, Joe Steiner, Jose Espinoza, Jore Chavez, Agapito Delgadillo

GPK · #37 12-27-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11

There are certainly better jockeys at these lower level tracks that would ride circles around jokes like Maylan Studart, Alonso Quinonez, Joe Steiner, Jose Espinoza, Jore Chavez, Agapito Delgadillo

I could ride better than 5 of the 6 you mentioned. I happen to like Quinonez on the turf.

PatCummings · #38 12-27-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

I could ride better than 5 of the 6 you mentioned. I happen to like Quinonez on the turf.

I'm with you Quinonez, actually, on either surface.

NTamm1215 · #39 12-27-2011, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

I could ride better than 5 of the 6 you mentioned. I happen to like Quinonez on the turf.

Chavez and Jose Espinoza would clean up at a place like Tampa. Alonso Quinonez would win the riding title by a landslide. Delgadillo would be dangerous if they carded some 870 yd races.

GPK · #40 12-27-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Chavez and Jose Espinoza would clean up at a place like Tampa. Alonso Quinonez would win the riding title by a landslide. Delgadillo would be dangerous if they carded some 870 yd races.

I don't disagree with any of that, especially this year. Weakest colony in quite some time.